> All others are either defunct, abandoned, or dropped out of favour, or never had any expressive adoption. So you're agreeing that, if we see a new challenger

> All others are either defunct, abandoned, or dropped out of favour, or never had any expressive adoption. So you're agreeing that, if we see a new challenger succeed, we pay the price of fragmentation? I agree that these sorts of projects rarely gain any real traction. I don't see that the history of autotools is relevant here. It's still very common to see in the wild.