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With any job that requires urinating into bottles to keep low tier managers' KPIs good, I somewhat doubt the attribute "much needed".

by _pmf_ 7y ago

cletus 7y ago
Thing is, delivery drivers elsewhere actually do this by choice. UPS and FedEx drivers are paid for a set of deliveries. If they can do them quicker then they get the same money but for less time. In NYC finding a restroom can be a real pain and a waste of precious time. It’s far easier to urinate in a bottle on the truck and keep moving. I imagine they eat while on the move too. So I’m not quite sure this is the indignity you make it or to be.
- mschuster91 7y ago
  > So I’m not quite sure this is the indignity you make it or to be. It is. Eating during driving is dangerous, even more so with a multi ton delivery truck. Pissing in a bottle is disgusting and a public health risk (where to properly wash hands, for one). If delivery set prices do not cover that employees get enough time to decently work, then they have to be raised!
  - __s 7y ago
    Their argument is that some employees will piss in bottles no matter what you pay them. Don't fall into the trap of arguing that they'd stop pissing in bottles at 100/hr
    - mschuster91 7y ago
      Some, yes, but most of those pissing in bottles are doing this because they have no other choice as they are not paid for the time they need to pee.
mschuster91 7y ago
There are a shitload of jobs that are (as coronavirus crisis and the list of jobs deemed essential in many countries shows) "much needed" for keeping a country running: anything medical, public transport, childcare/education, logistics, groceries/other food, infrastructure upkeep (electric/water/phone/internet/gas grid). But unlike jobs that label themselves "system critical" such as banks, investment vulture funds and others of their ilk, the really essential jobs have one thing in common: extremely shitty pay, sometimes outright exploitative working conditions.
- Normal_gaussian 7y ago
  What is more "essential", the job doing the essential work or the job creating the conditions that makes others do the essential work?
  - mschuster91 7y ago
    The essential jobs are those without which society would collapse and lives be in actual danger, as well as the dependencies of these jobs.
- BurningFrog 7y ago
  Lost interest when you claimed medical jobs have extremely shitty pay.
BurningFrog 7y ago
Like all jobs, these jobs are voluntary. Workers can quit any day they want. Since they keep showing up, they clearly think these jobs are their best option at the moment. Here's my point: I strongly believe that you or I have neither the information or the right to judge that choice or take it away from them. The piss in a bottle stories are just that. Amazon and Bezos have much attention and many enemies. Stories about how awful they are will always appear and circulate.
- JAX2_Robin 7y ago
  100% correct! We are providing an essential service and precautions are being taken to protect our health and the health of the people we love. The new time off options allow anyone who feels as if their health is at risk can stay home with no fear of losing their job, while those of us that are able to work still have that opportunity. Time off policies have been changed, additional paid time of is being given if you are ill, additional sanitation staff is on hand, doors are being propped open so as to avoid door handles, things are being changed minute to minute to ensure the health and well-being of all Amazon employees while we are trying to provide a vital service to those people who are home bound. A relief fund has bee set up and a pay increase has been initiated. You are so right..the stories are just that...STORIES! I keep thinking what else can Amazon do for me before at least one person with a negative attitude says...hey wait a minute...maybe they are not so bad after all. Looks like I'll grow even older waiting for that to happen!!

With any job that requires urinating into bottles to keep low tier managers' KPIs good, I somewhat doubt the attribute "much needed".

by _pmf_ 7y ago

With any job that requires urinating into bottles to keep low tier managers' KPIs good, I somewhat doubt the attribute "much needed".

cletus 7y ago

Thing is, delivery drivers elsewhere actually do this by choice. UPS and FedEx drivers are paid for a set of deliveries. If they can do them quicker then they get the same money but for less time. In NYC finding a restroom can be a real pain and a waste of precious time. It’s far easier to urinate in a bottle on the truck and keep moving. I imagine they eat while on the move too. So I’m not quite sure this is the indignity you make it or to be.

mschuster91 7y ago
> So I’m not quite sure this is the indignity you make it or to be. It is. Eating during driving is dangerous, even more so with a multi ton delivery truck. Pissing in a bottle is disgusting and a public health risk (where to properly wash hands, for one). If delivery set prices do not cover that employees get enough time to decently work, then they have to be raised!
- __s 7y ago
  Their argument is that some employees will piss in bottles no matter what you pay them. Don't fall into the trap of arguing that they'd stop pissing in bottles at 100/hr
  - mschuster91 7y ago
    Some, yes, but most of those pissing in bottles are doing this because they have no other choice as they are not paid for the time they need to pee.

mschuster91 7y ago

There are a shitload of jobs that are (as coronavirus crisis and the list of jobs deemed essential in many countries shows) "much needed" for keeping a country running: anything medical, public transport, childcare/education, logistics, groceries/other food, infrastructure upkeep (electric/water/phone/internet/gas grid). But unlike jobs that label themselves "system critical" such as banks, investment vulture funds and others of their ilk, the really essential jobs have one thing in common: extremely shitty pay, sometimes outright exploitative working conditions.

Normal_gaussian 7y ago
What is more "essential", the job doing the essential work or the job creating the conditions that makes others do the essential work?
- mschuster91 7y ago
  The essential jobs are those without which society would collapse and lives be in actual danger, as well as the dependencies of these jobs.
BurningFrog 7y ago
Lost interest when you claimed medical jobs have extremely shitty pay.

BurningFrog 7y ago

Like all jobs, these jobs are voluntary. Workers can quit any day they want. Since they keep showing up, they clearly think these jobs are their best option at the moment. Here's my point: I strongly believe that you or I have neither the information or the right to judge that choice or take it away from them. The piss in a bottle stories are just that. Amazon and Bezos have much attention and many enemies. Stories about how awful they are will always appear and circulate.

JAX2_Robin 7y ago
100% correct! We are providing an essential service and precautions are being taken to protect our health and the health of the people we love. The new time off options allow anyone who feels as if their health is at risk can stay home with no fear of losing their job, while those of us that are able to work still have that opportunity. Time off policies have been changed, additional paid time of is being given if you are ill, additional sanitation staff is on hand, doors are being propped open so as to avoid door handles, things are being changed minute to minute to ensure the health and well-being of all Amazon employees while we are trying to provide a vital service to those people who are home bound. A relief fund has bee set up and a pay increase has been initiated. You are so right..the stories are just that...STORIES! I keep thinking what else can Amazon do for me before at least one person with a negative attitude says...hey wait a minute...maybe they are not so bad after all. Looks like I'll grow even older waiting for that to happen!!