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Unfortunately this is not an option for many people. I don't disagree with the sentiment - avoiding the spread of disease is good - but often the reward systems

by uluyol 7y ago

Unfortunately this is not an option for many people. I don't disagree with the sentiment - avoiding the spread of disease is good - but often the reward systems in place don't optimize for the best global outcomes.

ta999999171 7y ago
So why do we keep accepting these conditions?
- nordsieck 7y ago
  > So why do we keep accepting these conditions? Probably because the negative repercussions of that behavior are typically not very severe.
  - maigret 7y ago
    They actually cost a lot of money to businesses, but no one cares to track to show the ugly truth. Europe has a lot of data showing that going to work sick ends up costing much more than staying home, thus this is a irresponsible attitude - given you keep getting your pay of course.
rixed 7y ago
Luckily we are born with "judgment" for all these cases were instincts or rewards do not point in the right direction. According to some, that's literally the reason d'etre of consciousness. I wish it worked better and I were not confined home right now.
- romski 7y ago
  You sound like someone that works at a company with “unlimited pto” am I right?
- vladvasiliu 7y ago
  Right. But how often does this actually happen in the real world ? And most importantly, what are we, as a society, ready to bet on the fact that not enough will make the "wrong" judgement ?
trymas 7y ago
Where are you from? Where I live - I think I am even motivated to get sick leave. If I feel ill, I can get sick leave, with no time limits I am aware of [0], and as a reward I will get 80% [1] of my salary back for essentially doing nothing. IMHO it's a win/win. I will get well and be productive as soon as possible [2]. If it's a viral illness - my employer would be happy that I will not make dozens of other people ill. [0] I have not read the law, but I have never heard of anyone reaching that limit. You can stay ill for months and still be compensated. Of course after some long time, you'll probably be moved from sick leave to some kind of disability program, which sucks, but we are not talking about disabilities. [1] There's a cap for sick leave compensation, but unless you are earning _a lot_ it should be enough. [2] Personal anecdata, but personally common cold takes couple of days of rest to go away, if I try to be tough and won't rest - it may take couple of weeks before I feel well again. Better couple of days of 0 productivity, than couple of weeks of work simulation.
- jeremysalwen 7y ago
  Wait till you hear about the health care system in the United States...

by uluyol 7y ago

ta999999171 7y ago

So why do we keep accepting these conditions?

nordsieck 7y ago
> So why do we keep accepting these conditions? Probably because the negative repercussions of that behavior are typically not very severe.
- maigret 7y ago
  They actually cost a lot of money to businesses, but no one cares to track to show the ugly truth. Europe has a lot of data showing that going to work sick ends up costing much more than staying home, thus this is a irresponsible attitude - given you keep getting your pay of course.

rixed 7y ago

Luckily we are born with "judgment" for all these cases were instincts or rewards do not point in the right direction. According to some, that's literally the reason d'etre of consciousness. I wish it worked better and I were not confined home right now.

romski 7y ago
You sound like someone that works at a company with “unlimited pto” am I right?
vladvasiliu 7y ago
Right. But how often does this actually happen in the real world ? And most importantly, what are we, as a society, ready to bet on the fact that not enough will make the "wrong" judgement ?

trymas 7y ago

Where are you from? Where I live - I think I am even motivated to get sick leave. If I feel ill, I can get sick leave, with no time limits I am aware of [0], and as a reward I will get 80% [1] of my salary back for essentially doing nothing. IMHO it's a win/win. I will get well and be productive as soon as possible [2]. If it's a viral illness - my employer would be happy that I will not make dozens of other people ill. [0] I have not read the law, but I have never heard of anyone reaching that limit. You can stay ill for months and still be compensated. Of course after some long time, you'll probably be moved from sick leave to some kind of disability program, which sucks, but we are not talking about disabilities. [1] There's a cap for sick leave compensation, but unless you are earning _a lot_ it should be enough. [2] Personal anecdata, but personally common cold takes couple of days of rest to go away, if I try to be tough and won't rest - it may take couple of weeks before I feel well again. Better couple of days of 0 productivity, than couple of weeks of work simulation.

jeremysalwen 7y ago
Wait till you hear about the health care system in the United States...