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.. if you're in more than one cloud, and want a singular solution.

smt88 7y ago
This is pretty rare, and it's getting rarer. Clouds are successfully locking people in volume discounts, proprietary technology (like AWS Aurora), and non-transferrable configuration tasks. I agree that cloud-agnostic tooling should exist, but as a for-profit company trying to find a large customer base, it's not a big market.
- scarface74 7y ago
  AWS Aurora is not “proprietary”. It’s basically a fork of Mysql/Postgres with a more performant storage layer.
  - smt88 7y ago
    Even if you're right about that, it doesn't refute my overall point that clouds are seeking to create lock-in and succeeding to some degree.
    - scarface74 7y ago
      Once you’re at any scale, you’re already de facto locked in. “Infrastructure has weight”. It’s a major undertaking to migrate infrastructure once you e spent time creating data, setting up a hybrid network infrastructure, training, going through compliance, DNS entries, configuration, load balancers, validation and regression testing, etc. The typical large corporation depends on so much third party software and so many services, it’s a pain and costly to migrate from any of them. You can’t imagine how much coupling companies can do to something as simple as WorkDay. I wish all of the idealists who want to maintain “cloud independence” would do a thought experiment and set up a realistic project plan and budget to migrate their infrastructure to another platform even if they didn’t use any proprietary offerings. And then take that plan to their CTO and see where he wouid place it on the list of priorities for their company and do a realistic cost/benefit and risk analysis.
- unethical_ban 7y ago
  Then call my Fortune 100 bank rare. Everything we do is going with a multi-cloud strategy where it makes sense, especially around secrets management and infrastructure as code.
  - smt88 7y ago
    OK: it’s rare. You actually proved it’s rare by telling me that it’s a large bank and a Fortune 100 company. Most people are neither banks nor Fortune 100 firms.

This is pretty rare, and it's getting rarer. Clouds are successfully locking people in volume discounts, proprietary technology (like AWS Aurora), and non-transferrable configuration tasks. I agree that cloud-agnostic tooling should exist, but as a for-profit company trying to find a large customer base, it's not a big market.

scarface74 7y ago
AWS Aurora is not “proprietary”. It’s basically a fork of Mysql/Postgres with a more performant storage layer.
- smt88 7y ago
  Even if you're right about that, it doesn't refute my overall point that clouds are seeking to create lock-in and succeeding to some degree.
  - scarface74 7y ago
    Once you’re at any scale, you’re already de facto locked in. “Infrastructure has weight”. It’s a major undertaking to migrate infrastructure once you e spent time creating data, setting up a hybrid network infrastructure, training, going through compliance, DNS entries, configuration, load balancers, validation and regression testing, etc. The typical large corporation depends on so much third party software and so many services, it’s a pain and costly to migrate from any of them. You can’t imagine how much coupling companies can do to something as simple as WorkDay. I wish all of the idealists who want to maintain “cloud independence” would do a thought experiment and set up a realistic project plan and budget to migrate their infrastructure to another platform even if they didn’t use any proprietary offerings. And then take that plan to their CTO and see where he wouid place it on the list of priorities for their company and do a realistic cost/benefit and risk analysis.
unethical_ban 7y ago
Then call my Fortune 100 bank rare. Everything we do is going with a multi-cloud strategy where it makes sense, especially around secrets management and infrastructure as code.
- smt88 7y ago
  OK: it’s rare. You actually proved it’s rare by telling me that it’s a large bank and a Fortune 100 company. Most people are neither banks nor Fortune 100 firms.