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It's not only about the old people. There are enough younger people that need medical care, even if they don't die from it. And then it's also about the rest o

by bhaak 7y ago

It's not only about the old people. There are enough younger people that need medical care, even if they don't die from it. And then it's also about the rest of the population that needs medical attention for a different reason. Imagine the medicial facilities being flooded by COVID-19 patients. There are enough severe cases already in many countries that non essential operations are suspended. Good luck getting adequate treatment for your broken leg.

anewguy9000 7y ago
so if you have flu like symptoms are you going to the hospital now? the vast majority of cov2 cases result in mild flu like symptoms and only 25% of the severe cases require medical intervention (according to WHO). so shouldnt the advice be to not seek medical attention at all? if you need the medical intervention youre in the 80 plus cohort that is already "flooding medical facilities" (been in one lately?). im just trying to do the long division and work out the logic that leads to the conclusion we should gamble with the livlihoods of huge percentage of the population for 7% mortality reduction in seniors. couldnt the exact same effect be achieved by quarantining seniors?
- cycrutchfield 7y ago
  I mean, this is what the UK is going to try. We will see how successful it is. I am not optimistic.
- scythe 7y ago
  You have to remember that these fatality rates are with treatment, and old people will experience roughly 2 years of death rates within a few months in that case, leading to massive numbers of hospitalizations. That case load is absolutely not normal regardless of who's driving it. What's your plan exactly -- deny treatment to old people who have COVID-19? Not only will that increase death rates substantially, it's horrible. https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/16/coronavirus-model-shows-hospitals-what-to-expect/ https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/16/coronavirus-model-shows-... And all of that is ignoring the possibility of people suffering nonfatal chronic health problems, which has been reported. Meanwhile, remdesivir and lopinavir/ritonavir are in trials and once we actually have drugs available the hospitalizations would be shorter and the death rates much lower. At that point quarantine becomes less important.

by bhaak 7y ago

anewguy9000 7y ago

so if you have flu like symptoms are you going to the hospital now? the vast majority of cov2 cases result in mild flu like symptoms and only 25% of the severe cases require medical intervention (according to WHO). so shouldnt the advice be to not seek medical attention at all? if you need the medical intervention youre in the 80 plus cohort that is already "flooding medical facilities" (been in one lately?). im just trying to do the long division and work out the logic that leads to the conclusion we should gamble with the livlihoods of huge percentage of the population for 7% mortality reduction in seniors. couldnt the exact same effect be achieved by quarantining seniors?

cycrutchfield 7y ago
I mean, this is what the UK is going to try. We will see how successful it is. I am not optimistic.
scythe 7y ago
You have to remember that these fatality rates are with treatment, and old people will experience roughly 2 years of death rates within a few months in that case, leading to massive numbers of hospitalizations. That case load is absolutely not normal regardless of who's driving it. What's your plan exactly -- deny treatment to old people who have COVID-19? Not only will that increase death rates substantially, it's horrible. https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/16/coronavirus-model-shows-hospitals-what-to-expect/ https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/16/coronavirus-model-shows-... And all of that is ignoring the possibility of people suffering nonfatal chronic health problems, which has been reported. Meanwhile, remdesivir and lopinavir/ritonavir are in trials and once we actually have drugs available the hospitalizations would be shorter and the death rates much lower. At that point quarantine becomes less important.