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I agree. But tying the recovery from this pandemic to an attempt to regulate CO2 emission would be an absolutely atrocious way to accomplish either pandemic res

by creato 7y ago

I agree. But tying the recovery from this pandemic to an attempt to regulate CO2 emission would be an absolutely atrocious way to accomplish either pandemic response or CO2 emissions response.

pm90 7y ago
Disagree. Crises are the best time to make political change. You have the attention of the whole country; rally them into making changes that can affect longer term gains. I feel somewhat strange writing that as someone who buys into the systems philosophy of "fix whats broken immediately, enhance it later". While that's true in computer systems, it doesn't seem uncommon in the realm of politics that periods of disasters are taken as opportunities to experiment with different ideas.
- kortilla 7y ago
  > You have the attention of the whole country; rally them into making changes that can affect longer term gains. That’s not how politics works. You can’t abuse a crisis to ram something unrelated down the opposing party’s throat. You end up alienating everyone including the moderates. This never works with even something as simple as a government shutdown over budget considerations.
  - i2amsam 7y ago
    Well, we did invade Iraq, so sometimes it works.
  - techbio 7y ago
    Worked with contaminated vape toxicity and the Juul flavor ban.
  - ianleeclark 7y ago
    > That’s not how politics works. You can’t abuse a crisis to ram something unrelated down the opposing party’s throat. This is exactly how it works in practice in the US because the government is in terminal gridlock. > You end up alienating everyone including the moderates. The largest political party in the US is the non-voting party. Again, how it works in practice is that almost half of the population is already alienated.
  - buzzkillington 7y ago
    Have you seen the patriot act? Hell, it was written by the oppositions party current presidential front runner.

by creato 7y ago

I agree. But tying the recovery from this pandemic to an attempt to regulate CO2 emission would be an absolutely atrocious way to accomplish either pandemic response or CO2 emissions response.

pm90 7y ago

Disagree. Crises are the best time to make political change. You have the attention of the whole country; rally them into making changes that can affect longer term gains. I feel somewhat strange writing that as someone who buys into the systems philosophy of "fix whats broken immediately, enhance it later". While that's true in computer systems, it doesn't seem uncommon in the realm of politics that periods of disasters are taken as opportunities to experiment with different ideas.

kortilla 7y ago
> You have the attention of the whole country; rally them into making changes that can affect longer term gains. That’s not how politics works. You can’t abuse a crisis to ram something unrelated down the opposing party’s throat. You end up alienating everyone including the moderates. This never works with even something as simple as a government shutdown over budget considerations.
- i2amsam 7y ago
  Well, we did invade Iraq, so sometimes it works.
- techbio 7y ago
  Worked with contaminated vape toxicity and the Juul flavor ban.
- ianleeclark 7y ago
  > That’s not how politics works. You can’t abuse a crisis to ram something unrelated down the opposing party’s throat. This is exactly how it works in practice in the US because the government is in terminal gridlock. > You end up alienating everyone including the moderates. The largest political party in the US is the non-voting party. Again, how it works in practice is that almost half of the population is already alienated.
- buzzkillington 7y ago
  Have you seen the patriot act? Hell, it was written by the oppositions party current presidential front runner.