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I guess every person who was put in a cage near the border of the US was a huge danger. https://www.aclu.org/issues/immigrants-rights/ice-and-border-patrol-abu

by ptato 7y ago

I guess every person who was put in a cage near the border of the US was a huge danger. https://www.aclu.org/issues/immigrants-rights/ice-and-border-patrol-abuses https://www.aclu.org/issues/immigrants-rights/ice-and-border...

manigandham 7y ago
To keep this as straightforward as possible: Illegal immigration is a crime and is enforced just like any other. Committing crime can mean incarceration, which many US citizens face everyday. It has nothing to do with being a "danger", but when you don't have permission to even be in the country then there's no bail or other release possible. Also detainment centers are not cages but fenced areas with free movement inside where people receive food, shelter, healthcare, entertainment, schooling and legal services paid for by US taxpayers while their cases are processed. Detainees are free to deport themselves at any time. This is more accommodating than pretty much every other developed nation.
- aredridel 7y ago
  Almost every word of this is a lie, misleading or poor framing.
  - manigandham 7y ago
    It's 100% factual except for the last sentence which can be argued.
- sneak 7y ago
  https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/27/us/immigrant-children-sexual-abuse.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/27/us/immigrant-children-sex... https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/inside-a-texas-building-where-the-government-is-holding-immigrant-children https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/inside-a-texas-buildi...
  - manigandham 7y ago
    Bad people exist and bad things happen in every large organization in every government of every country. It is not representative nor useful in discussing the behavior of the whole.
    - vincnetas 7y ago
      Yes they do. But important part is what organisation does about that. Does it close the eyes, does it encourages it, does it publicaly removes bad people from org to send the message?

by ptato 7y ago

manigandham 7y ago

To keep this as straightforward as possible: Illegal immigration is a crime and is enforced just like any other. Committing crime can mean incarceration, which many US citizens face everyday. It has nothing to do with being a "danger", but when you don't have permission to even be in the country then there's no bail or other release possible. Also detainment centers are not cages but fenced areas with free movement inside where people receive food, shelter, healthcare, entertainment, schooling and legal services paid for by US taxpayers while their cases are processed. Detainees are free to deport themselves at any time. This is more accommodating than pretty much every other developed nation.

aredridel 7y ago
Almost every word of this is a lie, misleading or poor framing.
- manigandham 7y ago
  It's 100% factual except for the last sentence which can be argued.
sneak 7y ago
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/27/us/immigrant-children-sexual-abuse.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/27/us/immigrant-children-sex... https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/inside-a-texas-building-where-the-government-is-holding-immigrant-children https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/inside-a-texas-buildi...
- manigandham 7y ago
  Bad people exist and bad things happen in every large organization in every government of every country. It is not representative nor useful in discussing the behavior of the whole.
  - vincnetas 7y ago
    Yes they do. But important part is what organisation does about that. Does it close the eyes, does it encourages it, does it publicaly removes bad people from org to send the message?