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Bay Area ‘shelter in place’ expected

68 points by Cieplak 7y ago

borkt 7y ago
If this isn't expanded to include Sonoma, Napa, and Solano it might as well not even take place, as it will continue to spread and as soon as the order is lifted everyone will be infected again. Really should be the whole state with no border crossing except for necessary cargo. The more seriously it is taken the quicker things can resume as normal.
- Data_Junkie 7y ago
  Mass stupidity. There is no epidemic in the area. Don't care what you say, there is a problem in Italy, and other places but not here. It simply isn't here on a scale that requires stopping everything. It is pure fear. What has happened is that fear itself has gone viral. It is only the fear that is worth fearing.
strangeloops85 7y ago
Something like this will get rolled out, piece-meal, throughout the country. As has been the case since the beginning of this, a lack of federal guidance and leadership means every jurisdiction will have to get ahead of this as much as might still be possible.
- allovernow 7y ago
  That wouldn't be entirely inappropriate to leave it up to states if the states weren't also clearly as incapable as the government has shown to be. Edit: sorry for the confusion, I'm saying letting states decide on appropriate measures somewhat independently is not necessarily a bad idea when competent people are in charge. Each state will have unique circumstances which will require customized interventions. I hear Ohio has been handling this well.
  - tantalor 7y ago
    Can you please rephrase your comment without the quadruple negative?
    - haswell 7y ago
      Pretty sure they're trying to say: > It would be fine to leave it up to the states if the states were competent enough to deal with it; however, the states are not.
- jedberg 7y ago
  Ask and you shall receive: The Trump admin just released a statement "urging" the elderly and at risk to stay home and not have gatherings with more than 10 people.
amluto 7y ago
Is there any serious analysis as to whether the overall economic and health impacts of these measures are likely to be better than milder measures?
unlinked_dll 7y ago
https://twitter.com/LondonBreed/status/1239626809865416704 https://twitter.com/LondonBreed/status/1239626809865416704
j79 7y ago
They mention non-essential workers should WFH (or not work at all), but does anyone know if that applies to delivery services as well? I know folks (including myself) waiting on goods from Amazon/etc. to be delivered to assist through the quarantine.
lidHanteyk 7y ago
"People may travel for shopping for necessary supplies, accessing health care, and providing aid to family and friends who need assistance, and for non-residents, returning to their home outside the Bay Area. Airports, taxis, and public transit — including BART — will remain operational, but only for essential travel and people are expected to keep six feet apart when possible." "Grocery stores and pharmacies will remain open, and restaurants may stay open to provide takeout food only. Also staying open: veterinary services, gas stations and auto repair shops, hardware and other home supply stores, banks and laundry services." I live in a different, smaller, metropolitan area, but this does not sound terrible to me. I do imagine that many folks must be frustrated, and some folks have fragile routines that cannot take much stress, but it seems like many allowances are being made for daily life to continue largely uninterrupted. What I dislike is how it might be enforced. I am fortunate to usually not be harrassed by police, but many of my neighbors are not so lucky. I don't want to see situations where this sort of emergency sheltering order is used as a pretext for oppression.
- vanniv 7y ago
  Is it really a pretext if it is the intent?
jedberg 7y ago
Well this should be a fun stress test for the ISPs. See if they really can deliver the bandwidth they promise (I'm guessing they can't).
- pythonaut_16 7y ago
  Hopefully one outcome of this is renewed support for building out the nation's internet grid and other infrastructure. In 2020 we have the technology to be vastly more resilient to all kinds of disasters and pandemics. Critical Infrastructure and Pandemic Preparedness initiative, etc.

68 points by Cieplak 7y ago

If this isn't expanded to include Sonoma, Napa, and Solano it might as well not even take place, as it will continue to spread and as soon as the order is lifted everyone will be infected again. Really should be the whole state with no border crossing except for necessary cargo. The more seriously it is taken the quicker things can resume as normal.

Data_Junkie 7y ago
Mass stupidity. There is no epidemic in the area. Don't care what you say, there is a problem in Italy, and other places but not here. It simply isn't here on a scale that requires stopping everything. It is pure fear. What has happened is that fear itself has gone viral. It is only the fear that is worth fearing.

strangeloops85 7y ago

Something like this will get rolled out, piece-meal, throughout the country. As has been the case since the beginning of this, a lack of federal guidance and leadership means every jurisdiction will have to get ahead of this as much as might still be possible.

allovernow 7y ago
That wouldn't be entirely inappropriate to leave it up to states if the states weren't also clearly as incapable as the government has shown to be. Edit: sorry for the confusion, I'm saying letting states decide on appropriate measures somewhat independently is not necessarily a bad idea when competent people are in charge. Each state will have unique circumstances which will require customized interventions. I hear Ohio has been handling this well.
- tantalor 7y ago
  Can you please rephrase your comment without the quadruple negative?
  - haswell 7y ago
    Pretty sure they're trying to say: > It would be fine to leave it up to the states if the states were competent enough to deal with it; however, the states are not.
jedberg 7y ago
Ask and you shall receive: The Trump admin just released a statement "urging" the elderly and at risk to stay home and not have gatherings with more than 10 people.

amluto 7y ago

Is there any serious analysis as to whether the overall economic and health impacts of these measures are likely to be better than milder measures?

unlinked_dll 7y ago

https://twitter.com/LondonBreed/status/1239626809865416704 https://twitter.com/LondonBreed/status/1239626809865416704

j79 7y ago

They mention non-essential workers should WFH (or not work at all), but does anyone know if that applies to delivery services as well? I know folks (including myself) waiting on goods from Amazon/etc. to be delivered to assist through the quarantine.

lidHanteyk 7y ago

"People may travel for shopping for necessary supplies, accessing health care, and providing aid to family and friends who need assistance, and for non-residents, returning to their home outside the Bay Area. Airports, taxis, and public transit — including BART — will remain operational, but only for essential travel and people are expected to keep six feet apart when possible." "Grocery stores and pharmacies will remain open, and restaurants may stay open to provide takeout food only. Also staying open: veterinary services, gas stations and auto repair shops, hardware and other home supply stores, banks and laundry services." I live in a different, smaller, metropolitan area, but this does not sound terrible to me. I do imagine that many folks must be frustrated, and some folks have fragile routines that cannot take much stress, but it seems like many allowances are being made for daily life to continue largely uninterrupted. What I dislike is how it might be enforced. I am fortunate to usually not be harrassed by police, but many of my neighbors are not so lucky. I don't want to see situations where this sort of emergency sheltering order is used as a pretext for oppression.

vanniv 7y ago
Is it really a pretext if it is the intent?

jedberg 7y ago

Well this should be a fun stress test for the ISPs. See if they really can deliver the bandwidth they promise (I'm guessing they can't).

pythonaut_16 7y ago
Hopefully one outcome of this is renewed support for building out the nation's internet grid and other infrastructure. In 2020 we have the technology to be vastly more resilient to all kinds of disasters and pandemics. Critical Infrastructure and Pandemic Preparedness initiative, etc.