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Note that this does not address the fact that high bumpers are death for pedestrians. This addresses the issue of collisions with cars, but tall vehicles in gen

Note that this does not address the fact that high bumpers are death for pedestrians. This addresses the issue of collisions with cars, but tall vehicles in general are really bad for pedestrians.

Florin_Andrei 7y ago
> high bumpers are death for pedestrians The typical counter-argument to that involves some sort of abuse of the notion of freedom. (Not endorsing, of course, just mentioning it.)
- HenryBemis 7y ago
  "People are stupid" is not a valid argument to move towards a solution. "Developing and establishing Standards, training appropriate authorities and giving them the right tools/equipment to measure/identify violators, legislate appropriate fines" is. Hand anyone who does this a $1000 fine, and see how fast the whole country falls in line.
- naravara 7y ago
  There is the adage about freedom ending at the point my fist meets your face. In this case, I guess it's more about where my face meets your windshield.
kube-system 7y ago
A tall profile is pretty much inevitable for vehicles that carry cargo. Even places with strict pedestrian safety standards haven't solved that.
- naravara 7y ago
  The problem is that we have way more tall profile vehicles out there than we do cargo being carried. It's not really a necessity, lots of people are just buying these things because they like the aesthetic moreso than having any practical need for them. Plus I'm not even sure the general statement is really that true. The El Camino was a regular car profile. If you're just buying a pick up to haul furniture around rather than, say, bales of hay you don't need it to be that tall.
  - kube-system 7y ago
    I was referring to commercial trucks, in line with the above commenters mention of Brazillian truck underride guards, which also are required in the US. Commercial trucks all around the world have a high profile. The only thing in the US that is different is that passenger vehicles don't have as strict of pedestrian standards as the EU. I'm just saying: a semi and a lorry have the same pedestrian-unfriendly profile.
- dbcurtis 7y ago
  > A tall profile is pretty much inevitable for vehicles that carry cargo. But a tall profile does not mean that headlights need to be mounted higher above the road surface. This is a simple problem in geometry.
- ProZsolt 7y ago
  > inevitable for vehicles that carry cargo But not for a vehicle that carries one person

Note that this does not address the fact that high bumpers are death for pedestrians. This addresses the issue of collisions with cars, but tall vehicles in general are really bad for pedestrians.

Florin_Andrei 7y ago

> high bumpers are death for pedestrians The typical counter-argument to that involves some sort of abuse of the notion of freedom. (Not endorsing, of course, just mentioning it.)

HenryBemis 7y ago
"People are stupid" is not a valid argument to move towards a solution. "Developing and establishing Standards, training appropriate authorities and giving them the right tools/equipment to measure/identify violators, legislate appropriate fines" is. Hand anyone who does this a $1000 fine, and see how fast the whole country falls in line.
naravara 7y ago
There is the adage about freedom ending at the point my fist meets your face. In this case, I guess it's more about where my face meets your windshield.

kube-system 7y ago

A tall profile is pretty much inevitable for vehicles that carry cargo. Even places with strict pedestrian safety standards haven't solved that.

naravara 7y ago
The problem is that we have way more tall profile vehicles out there than we do cargo being carried. It's not really a necessity, lots of people are just buying these things because they like the aesthetic moreso than having any practical need for them. Plus I'm not even sure the general statement is really that true. The El Camino was a regular car profile. If you're just buying a pick up to haul furniture around rather than, say, bales of hay you don't need it to be that tall.
- kube-system 7y ago
  I was referring to commercial trucks, in line with the above commenters mention of Brazillian truck underride guards, which also are required in the US. Commercial trucks all around the world have a high profile. The only thing in the US that is different is that passenger vehicles don't have as strict of pedestrian standards as the EU. I'm just saying: a semi and a lorry have the same pedestrian-unfriendly profile.
dbcurtis 7y ago
> A tall profile is pretty much inevitable for vehicles that carry cargo. But a tall profile does not mean that headlights need to be mounted higher above the road surface. This is a simple problem in geometry.
ProZsolt 7y ago
> inevitable for vehicles that carry cargo But not for a vehicle that carries one person