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>I don't think Github is an evil organization. its...getting there. There are good arguments to suggest new Microsoft is the same as old Microsoft and this mi

>I don't think Github is an evil organization. its...getting there. There are good arguments to suggest new Microsoft is the same as old Microsoft and this might be one of them. Github frantically clawing for control of developers, while blindly enforcing things like ITAR are a classic Microsoft case of directionless middle management vying for government rent-seeking and free market capital at the same time. Either MS fixes this quick, or FLOSS projects will rightly start hosting things elsewhere. free software is free as in speech, and in most cases this crap is interpreted as outright censorship.

syshum 7y ago
>> FLOSS projects will rightly start hosting things elsewhere They should be doing that anyway, and it should be happening RIGHT NOW, not because of this single dev account suspension but because centralization of control is the antithesis of FOSS, the fact that the community is centralized around github is a clear and present danger to said community. and no the solution it not for everyone to just move to gitlab, I can see that coming as well, replacing github with hosted gitlab would simply replicate the problem We as a community need to the distributed, not centralized
- Jonnax 7y ago
  How will they pay for it Opensource on the whole doesn't pay unless it's sponsored by a company.
  - PureParadigm 7y ago
    Git repo hosting really doesn't cost much unless it's super popular and needs a lot of bandwidth (at which point you can probably get some hosting company to sponsor). At minimum, a Raspberry Pi and an internet connection will do. If you want something a bit more reliable, you can get a virtual server for $5/month and host many repos on it.
- kanox 7y ago
  > replacing github with hosted gitlab would simply replicate the problem How so? A hosted gitlab instance makes you immune from the administrative whims of any particular corporation. It's possible that gitlab the company stops maintaining the free editions but that's not very much different from other pieces of software going unmaintained. All the older project hosting software suites like sourceforge/gforge/savannah are still available. Git itself is very easy to use in a distribute manner, but I guess some form of distributed issue tracker is missing?
  - syshum 7y ago
    I meant using GitLab's Hosted solution, their Cloud SaaS Not Self Hosting a GitLab environment yourself. GitLab.com, not Self-Managed
KarlKemp 7y ago
Github "Frantically clawing for control of developers", "vying for government rent-seeking and free market capital"? ...We must be experiencing very different versions of reality. Usually I sort-of get where people are coming from, even when I disagree. Here, I couldn't even name anything Github is doing that would support these statements. What power do they have, except being a useful product?
ceres 7y ago
Here is a decentralized and distributed backend for git called Mango. Basically takes advantage of Ethereum and P2P content addressable networks. https://github.com/axic/mango https://github.com/axic/mango [Edit]: Here is another using the BitTorrent protocol - https://github.com/cjb/GitTorrent https://github.com/cjb/GitTorrent

syshum 7y ago

>> FLOSS projects will rightly start hosting things elsewhere They should be doing that anyway, and it should be happening RIGHT NOW, not because of this single dev account suspension but because centralization of control is the antithesis of FOSS, the fact that the community is centralized around github is a clear and present danger to said community. and no the solution it not for everyone to just move to gitlab, I can see that coming as well, replacing github with hosted gitlab would simply replicate the problem We as a community need to the distributed, not centralized

Jonnax 7y ago
How will they pay for it Opensource on the whole doesn't pay unless it's sponsored by a company.
- PureParadigm 7y ago
  Git repo hosting really doesn't cost much unless it's super popular and needs a lot of bandwidth (at which point you can probably get some hosting company to sponsor). At minimum, a Raspberry Pi and an internet connection will do. If you want something a bit more reliable, you can get a virtual server for $5/month and host many repos on it.
kanox 7y ago
> replacing github with hosted gitlab would simply replicate the problem How so? A hosted gitlab instance makes you immune from the administrative whims of any particular corporation. It's possible that gitlab the company stops maintaining the free editions but that's not very much different from other pieces of software going unmaintained. All the older project hosting software suites like sourceforge/gforge/savannah are still available. Git itself is very easy to use in a distribute manner, but I guess some form of distributed issue tracker is missing?
- syshum 7y ago
  I meant using GitLab's Hosted solution, their Cloud SaaS Not Self Hosting a GitLab environment yourself. GitLab.com, not Self-Managed

KarlKemp 7y ago

Github "Frantically clawing for control of developers", "vying for government rent-seeking and free market capital"? ...We must be experiencing very different versions of reality. Usually I sort-of get where people are coming from, even when I disagree. Here, I couldn't even name anything Github is doing that would support these statements. What power do they have, except being a useful product?

ceres 7y ago

Here is a decentralized and distributed backend for git called Mango. Basically takes advantage of Ethereum and P2P content addressable networks. https://github.com/axic/mango https://github.com/axic/mango [Edit]: Here is another using the BitTorrent protocol - https://github.com/cjb/GitTorrent https://github.com/cjb/GitTorrent