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> Apple may have some monopolistic practices, but a larger problem in Europe is as I stated, a work force not inclined, interested, and put off by the "low stat

> Apple may have some monopolistic practices, but a larger problem in Europe is as I stated, a work force not inclined, interested, and put off by the "low status" of being a programmer. I've never seen any reasonable person look down on developers, IT-consultants, sysadmins etc, and I've lived in Europe my whole life. Yes, you'll get the occasional academic that studied the humanities and is pissed off that techies are paid more and asked to solve society's problems instead of him but that's pretty much it. Tech will almost guarantee a safe job and an income above the average. You just might hit the average income when you're starting out if you're in the right place. Who's looking down on that? > They will continue to pursue aggressive legal tactics to stop the domination of FAANG tech products, but the real answer is legislation and action that foster growth of tech companies and start ups. You can't create a cultural environment with legislation. Not that there's not a lot to do, but it's not that easy. Also, I think they're very right to limit the power of US-West-Coast-Corporations. Search, Social Networks, News etc are too central to any nation to let them be provided by a foreign entity.

corporateslave5 7y ago
Pay for engineers in Europe is abysmal for programmers. And not just absolutely, also relatively to the rest of European professions. In contrast, the United States has extremely high compensation for programmers with respect to other careers. Status is about money. And Europe doesn’t pay technical workers and by and large sees no reason to.
- luckylion 7y ago
  Maybe you're talking about a different part of Europe. I'm in Germany, you'll quickly make more as a developer in a non-leadership role than you will in other careers in leadership roles. Sure, the difference isn't as big as it is in the US, but you don't have to be a rock star to make twice the average income with 10, 15 years experience. If you expect to be treated as a god, being treated as a king may seem like an insult, but I think the difference to the US is mostly the European set up: you won't rise as high, you won't fall as deep. I don't see any general dislike for IT.

corporateslave5 7y ago

Pay for engineers in Europe is abysmal for programmers. And not just absolutely, also relatively to the rest of European professions. In contrast, the United States has extremely high compensation for programmers with respect to other careers. Status is about money. And Europe doesn’t pay technical workers and by and large sees no reason to.

luckylion 7y ago
Maybe you're talking about a different part of Europe. I'm in Germany, you'll quickly make more as a developer in a non-leadership role than you will in other careers in leadership roles. Sure, the difference isn't as big as it is in the US, but you don't have to be a rock star to make twice the average income with 10, 15 years experience. If you expect to be treated as a god, being treated as a king may seem like an insult, but I think the difference to the US is mostly the European set up: you won't rise as high, you won't fall as deep. I don't see any general dislike for IT.