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And then the virus just dies on non-live surfaces like clothes in a couple of hours. Like we said several times, masks provide some protection (decreased risk)

And then the virus just dies on non-live surfaces like clothes in a couple of hours. Like we said several times, masks provide some protection (decreased risk) for a healthy person, they don't protect from getting infected 100%. No one ever said that mask is more effective on healthy person than on the infected one, I am not sure who you are arguing against. But it is the popular for some reason notion that a mask does not protect a healthy person at all that is plain false as has to go away.

simiones 7y ago
No, the virus lives on non-live surfaces for up to 3 days. This alone invalidates the rest of your argument.
- pas 7y ago
  We still don't know how long it lives on clothing. On doorknobs, plastic, stainless steel it can live for 72 hours, yes. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/14/811609026/the-new-coronavirus-can-live-on-surfaces-for-2-3-days-heres-how-to-clean-them https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/14/8116090...
  - ntsplnkv2 7y ago
    Plastic, like buttons, which are on clothing.
  - simiones 7y ago
    Fair enough, but I wouldn't assume the difference goes from 72 hours to 3 between different inert surfaces.
    - notacoward 7y ago
      That's an entirely normal range. https://www.chemistryviews.org/details/news/10608438/How_Long_Can_the_SARS-Cov-2_Virus_Live_on_Surfaces_and_in_Aerosols.html https://www.chemistryviews.org/details/news/10608438/How_Lon... "The viruses remained detectable for up to 4 hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard, and up to 3 days on plastic and stainless steel." Different surfaces are, well, different.
marcus_holmes 7y ago
The difference in effectiveness is huge, to the point where it's ridiculous to be healthy and wear a mask. Like I said, they don't put masks on surgery patients. And don't forget the social signal part; if everyone wears a mask all the time, then we don't know who actually considers themselves to be infectious. Whereas if just the infectious people wear masks, then we know who they are and can act appropriately (being grateful that they self-identified as infectious and kept the rest of us safer, for a start).
- tasuki 7y ago
  > The difference in effectiveness is huge, to the point where it's ridiculous to be healthy and wear a mask. I think the point is that you have no idea whether you're healthy.
  - marcus_holmes 7y ago
    I get that. But still, if you're going to not wear a mask all the time, then better to wear one when you think you're sick than when you think you're healthy.
- dmwallin 7y ago
  I think the social signal part has second order effects that make it work out not as you would expect. If ONLY sick people tend to wear masks then masks will make you a more visible target of fear and hate, which would lead people who are sick to not wear masks. It's a much better idea to destigmatize the act of mask wearing so we can get larger coverage of sick people with mask s.
  - marcus_holmes 7y ago
    in the West, yes. Because we're idiots about this sort of thing. In Asia, the feeling is gratitude - thank you for wearing a mask and protecting me from your illness

simiones 7y ago

No, the virus lives on non-live surfaces for up to 3 days. This alone invalidates the rest of your argument.

pas 7y ago
We still don't know how long it lives on clothing. On doorknobs, plastic, stainless steel it can live for 72 hours, yes. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/14/811609026/the-new-coronavirus-can-live-on-surfaces-for-2-3-days-heres-how-to-clean-them https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/14/8116090...
- ntsplnkv2 7y ago
  Plastic, like buttons, which are on clothing.
- simiones 7y ago
  Fair enough, but I wouldn't assume the difference goes from 72 hours to 3 between different inert surfaces.
  - notacoward 7y ago
    That's an entirely normal range. https://www.chemistryviews.org/details/news/10608438/How_Long_Can_the_SARS-Cov-2_Virus_Live_on_Surfaces_and_in_Aerosols.html https://www.chemistryviews.org/details/news/10608438/How_Lon... "The viruses remained detectable for up to 4 hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard, and up to 3 days on plastic and stainless steel." Different surfaces are, well, different.

marcus_holmes 7y ago

The difference in effectiveness is huge, to the point where it's ridiculous to be healthy and wear a mask. Like I said, they don't put masks on surgery patients. And don't forget the social signal part; if everyone wears a mask all the time, then we don't know who actually considers themselves to be infectious. Whereas if just the infectious people wear masks, then we know who they are and can act appropriately (being grateful that they self-identified as infectious and kept the rest of us safer, for a start).

tasuki 7y ago
> The difference in effectiveness is huge, to the point where it's ridiculous to be healthy and wear a mask. I think the point is that you have no idea whether you're healthy.
- marcus_holmes 7y ago
  I get that. But still, if you're going to not wear a mask all the time, then better to wear one when you think you're sick than when you think you're healthy.
dmwallin 7y ago
I think the social signal part has second order effects that make it work out not as you would expect. If ONLY sick people tend to wear masks then masks will make you a more visible target of fear and hate, which would lead people who are sick to not wear masks. It's a much better idea to destigmatize the act of mask wearing so we can get larger coverage of sick people with mask s.
- marcus_holmes 7y ago
  in the West, yes. Because we're idiots about this sort of thing. In Asia, the feeling is gratitude - thank you for wearing a mask and protecting me from your illness