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The system doesn't come with your morality and doesn't operate to provide livelihood to the greatest number of people. Pity the man who was able to show the un

by wolco 7y ago

The system doesn't come with your morality and doesn't operate to provide livelihood to the greatest number of people. Pity the man who was able to show the unequalness the market may bring if you must. But many of the changes in laws can be attributed to holes in the system that were exposed.

groby_b 7y ago
"The system" is what we choose to build. It isn't some unchangeable fundamental part of nature. We choose if it does, or doesn't have morality. It's depressing so few choose morality, and then hide behind "it's the system". It's a choice. I wish people would own that choice, if they chose a system without morality, without consideration for their fellow humans. And yes, I do pity him. His life is sad, and empty, and his final note is heartbreaking. "My dear Nina: Can't help it. Things have been bad with me. I am tired of fighting. Can't carry on any longer. This is the only way out. I am unworthy of your love. I am a failure. I am truly sorry, but this is the only way out for me. Love Laurie"
- cercatrova 7y ago
  Not necessarily. Systems can become amoral even if actors in the system are moral. Consider corporations. Their fitness function so to speak is to amass capital, as much as possible in fact. Even if everyone inside were moral, they are tended towards actions that increase capital, while not necessarily having all the responsibility of the decision, and so their morality does not come into play, because they don't know the true extent of their decisions. Responsibility throughout the organization therefore diffuses. It is like an ant colony, where each individual performs actions whose combined effects give the entire system some sense of individuality separate from its components.
- rhizome 7y ago
  Capitalism is the system, which can and does have moral constraints, the set of which defines and distinguishes one implementation of capitalism from another. However, capital itself is amoral and has no such limitations.
gshdg 7y ago
The “system” may be amoral. But as humans we can choose not to admire people who use the system to immoral ends; and not to suggest that they are examples worthy of being followed.

by wolco 7y ago

groby_b 7y ago

"The system" is what we choose to build. It isn't some unchangeable fundamental part of nature. We choose if it does, or doesn't have morality. It's depressing so few choose morality, and then hide behind "it's the system". It's a choice. I wish people would own that choice, if they chose a system without morality, without consideration for their fellow humans. And yes, I do pity him. His life is sad, and empty, and his final note is heartbreaking. "My dear Nina: Can't help it. Things have been bad with me. I am tired of fighting. Can't carry on any longer. This is the only way out. I am unworthy of your love. I am a failure. I am truly sorry, but this is the only way out for me. Love Laurie"

cercatrova 7y ago
Not necessarily. Systems can become amoral even if actors in the system are moral. Consider corporations. Their fitness function so to speak is to amass capital, as much as possible in fact. Even if everyone inside were moral, they are tended towards actions that increase capital, while not necessarily having all the responsibility of the decision, and so their morality does not come into play, because they don't know the true extent of their decisions. Responsibility throughout the organization therefore diffuses. It is like an ant colony, where each individual performs actions whose combined effects give the entire system some sense of individuality separate from its components.
rhizome 7y ago
Capitalism is the system, which can and does have moral constraints, the set of which defines and distinguishes one implementation of capitalism from another. However, capital itself is amoral and has no such limitations.

gshdg 7y ago

The “system” may be amoral. But as humans we can choose not to admire people who use the system to immoral ends; and not to suggest that they are examples worthy of being followed.