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Who under 35 is dying from COVID. Like 10 cases the whole world over. So you tell me which is more damaging?

by zaroth 7y ago

blondin 7y ago
i understand what you are trying to say. but people aren't concerned with young folks being at risk. they are concerned that they will spread it. that's why schools are closed. they wanna "plateau the curve" or whatever they call it. curious, can't personal training happen online? via i dunno, skype or slack? if not, well, someone needs to make it happen.
en-us 7y ago
The people in at-risk groups are people too. You're acting like their lost lives don't matter.
edmundsauto 7y ago
People under 35 who take extra risks to protect their economic interests are being negligent. This behavior will harm vulnerable populations, and also impact health system availability, hurting everyone. We need to figure out something, fast, for these workers. The economics are terrifying and require resolve to accept that we will economically damage ourselves to protect others in our communities.
koheripbal 7y ago
As someone who's over 35, I dont know what to make of your comment... Are those of us over 35 somehow worthless? Should we segregate the entire population based on age until the vaccine is deployed in 18 months?
- zaroth 7y ago
  A couple generations ago there were “Measles Parties” to expose kids to measles because it was not risky to children. This was before a vaccine was available, and made sense at the time to build herd immunity. Until a vaccine is available, as someone over 35, and who has parents who are 70/72, I want as many 0-55 year olds to get COVID as soon as possible to establish herd immunity and ultimately limit the risk to the elderly population. The 0-55 population by and large isn’t going to the ICU when they get exposed to this coronavirus. Most will report that they “don’t even know they had it”. After they get it, the data we have shows that they won’t be able to get it again, or spread it.
  - ec109685 7y ago
    What’s stopping all those <55 year olds from giving it to >55?
    - zaroth 7y ago
      Self isolation on the part of the at-risk population.
    - war1025 7y ago
      lockdown of at risk populations
  - lazyasciiart 7y ago
    This is incredibly uninformed. It doesn’t matter what happens “by and large”. There aren’t enough hospital beds for even a minority of them.
    - zaroth 7y ago
      Of course it matters. If a disease is not particularly dangerous to a certain demographic, then that demographic by definition cannot overwhelm scarce ICU resources.
      - lazyasciiart 7y ago
        Not true at all. If 0.2% of Americans between the age of 15 and 55 want to go to hospital before they die of coronavirus, that's 350,000 people. In the entire country there are about 800,000 hospital beds - of which maybe 45,000 are ICU beds. And those hospitals aren't sitting there empty waiting for coronavirus patients to arrive, they average 2/3 beds in use. So, even if we pretend that the hospitalization rate is as low as the fatality rate, and they just need to be inside a hospital and not inside the ICU, we are already short by 100,000 beds. Sounds like overwhelmed to me.
        zaroth 7y ago
brown9-2 7y ago
There are people under 35 who might have immune or other underlying conditions. Also a lot of us have family over 35 that we care about.
pcestrada 7y ago
Younger people die from the flu too. This is several times more dangerous.
dillonmckay 7y ago
Who under 35 is going to die because when they need to go to the ER for a non-COVID life-threatening issue, the hospital has their hands full dealing with a pandemic?

Who under 35 is dying from COVID. Like 10 cases the whole world over. So you tell me which is more damaging?

by zaroth 7y ago

Who under 35 is dying from COVID. Like 10 cases the whole world over. So you tell me which is more damaging?

i understand what you are trying to say. but people aren't concerned with young folks being at risk. they are concerned that they will spread it. that's why schools are closed. they wanna "plateau the curve" or whatever they call it. curious, can't personal training happen online? via i dunno, skype or slack? if not, well, someone needs to make it happen.

en-us 7y ago

The people in at-risk groups are people too. You're acting like their lost lives don't matter.

edmundsauto 7y ago

People under 35 who take extra risks to protect their economic interests are being negligent. This behavior will harm vulnerable populations, and also impact health system availability, hurting everyone. We need to figure out something, fast, for these workers. The economics are terrifying and require resolve to accept that we will economically damage ourselves to protect others in our communities.

koheripbal 7y ago

As someone who's over 35, I dont know what to make of your comment... Are those of us over 35 somehow worthless? Should we segregate the entire population based on age until the vaccine is deployed in 18 months?

zaroth 7y ago
A couple generations ago there were “Measles Parties” to expose kids to measles because it was not risky to children. This was before a vaccine was available, and made sense at the time to build herd immunity. Until a vaccine is available, as someone over 35, and who has parents who are 70/72, I want as many 0-55 year olds to get COVID as soon as possible to establish herd immunity and ultimately limit the risk to the elderly population. The 0-55 population by and large isn’t going to the ICU when they get exposed to this coronavirus. Most will report that they “don’t even know they had it”. After they get it, the data we have shows that they won’t be able to get it again, or spread it.
- ec109685 7y ago
  What’s stopping all those <55 year olds from giving it to >55?
  - zaroth 7y ago
    Self isolation on the part of the at-risk population.
  - war1025 7y ago
    lockdown of at risk populations
- lazyasciiart 7y ago
  This is incredibly uninformed. It doesn’t matter what happens “by and large”. There aren’t enough hospital beds for even a minority of them.
  - zaroth 7y ago
    Of course it matters. If a disease is not particularly dangerous to a certain demographic, then that demographic by definition cannot overwhelm scarce ICU resources.
    - lazyasciiart 7y ago
      Not true at all. If 0.2% of Americans between the age of 15 and 55 want to go to hospital before they die of coronavirus, that's 350,000 people. In the entire country there are about 800,000 hospital beds - of which maybe 45,000 are ICU beds. And those hospitals aren't sitting there empty waiting for coronavirus patients to arrive, they average 2/3 beds in use. So, even if we pretend that the hospitalization rate is as low as the fatality rate, and they just need to be inside a hospital and not inside the ICU, we are already short by 100,000 beds. Sounds like overwhelmed to me.
      - zaroth 7y ago

brown9-2 7y ago

There are people under 35 who might have immune or other underlying conditions. Also a lot of us have family over 35 that we care about.

pcestrada 7y ago

Younger people die from the flu too. This is several times more dangerous.

dillonmckay 7y ago

Who under 35 is going to die because when they need to go to the ER for a non-COVID life-threatening issue, the hospital has their hands full dealing with a pandemic?