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Email 2.0: * Centrally controlled by a single company. * Closed protocols (so it seems - didn't see evidence to the contrary). * Encourages you to "Upgrade y

Email 2.0: * Centrally controlled by a single company. * Closed protocols (so it seems - didn't see evidence to the contrary). * Encourages you to "Upgrade your conversations" with emojis. I'm definitely willing to pay! ... for this not to be anywhere near me.

gnu8 7y ago
Yet everyone is so eager to abandon IRC for Slack and that type of garbage. What is really the difference here?
- buzzert 7y ago
  I’m not. And I bet the parent commenter isn’t either.
  - einpoklum 7y ago
    Yup. Not that Slack doesn't have some desirable features which I would like in a chat mechanism, but that's not remotely enough to choose it over IRC.
- jeltz 7y ago
  That email is mainly used for communicating with people at different companies while Slack is mainly used for communication within the company. And IRC has a lot of usability issues which have not yet been solved. Personally I strongly dislike Slack and hope that Matrix will kill it, but I understand why people adopted Slack and most of those reasons does not apply here.
  - inshadows 7y ago
    > And IRC has a lot of usability issues which have not yet been solved. Such as? I know of - Lack of multi-line messages. AFAIK that's addresses in some new IRC RFC but it's not widely - Server-stored messages. Bouncer can deal with that, though, it's kind of a hack. Otherwise I love usability of IRC clients! My IRC client binary is 1.1 MB big!!!
- erikpukinskis 7y ago
  There's still no quick and easy way to set up an IRC server for a company. There are plenty of ways to easily set up email.
  - okasaki 7y ago
    apt-get install ircd-hybrid?
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  - dependenttypes 7y ago
    Email servers are some of the most annoying pieces of software to set up and maintain. IRC servers aren't anything like that at all.
  - einpoklum 7y ago
    Actually I feel it's more the other way around.
- mvanbaak 7y ago
  No. Only the people who see no problem in The things OP mentioned are eager to switch to slack.
- jayd16 7y ago
  Because slack is a better experience and IRC failed to make it work. Just because something is an open standard doesn't mean its the best product. There's probably still room for an open source, confederated IM client with proper workspaces, history management, and ubiquitous clients.
  - nmfisher 7y ago
    > There's probably still room for an open source, confederated IM client with proper workspaces, history management, and ubiquitous clients. Matrix?
Alex3917 7y ago
> Closed protocols (so it seems - didn't see evidence to the contrary). The email itself is presumably just an email. If the company goes out of business you still have all the emails, and at the worst you're just missing how many people Liked them or whatever.
- gremlinsinc 7y ago
  It's an interesting concept, I think for an email disrupter though, you'd do better w/ maybe open core software. So people can build upon and really make it the next gen of email, not a closed wall.

gnu8 7y ago

Yet everyone is so eager to abandon IRC for Slack and that type of garbage. What is really the difference here?

buzzert 7y ago
I’m not. And I bet the parent commenter isn’t either.
- einpoklum 7y ago
  Yup. Not that Slack doesn't have some desirable features which I would like in a chat mechanism, but that's not remotely enough to choose it over IRC.
jeltz 7y ago
That email is mainly used for communicating with people at different companies while Slack is mainly used for communication within the company. And IRC has a lot of usability issues which have not yet been solved. Personally I strongly dislike Slack and hope that Matrix will kill it, but I understand why people adopted Slack and most of those reasons does not apply here.
- inshadows 7y ago
  > And IRC has a lot of usability issues which have not yet been solved. Such as? I know of - Lack of multi-line messages. AFAIK that's addresses in some new IRC RFC but it's not widely - Server-stored messages. Bouncer can deal with that, though, it's kind of a hack. Otherwise I love usability of IRC clients! My IRC client binary is 1.1 MB big!!!
erikpukinskis 7y ago
There's still no quick and easy way to set up an IRC server for a company. There are plenty of ways to easily set up email.
- okasaki 7y ago
  apt-get install ircd-hybrid?
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    [deleted]
- dependenttypes 7y ago
  Email servers are some of the most annoying pieces of software to set up and maintain. IRC servers aren't anything like that at all.
- einpoklum 7y ago
  Actually I feel it's more the other way around.
mvanbaak 7y ago
No. Only the people who see no problem in The things OP mentioned are eager to switch to slack.
jayd16 7y ago
Because slack is a better experience and IRC failed to make it work. Just because something is an open standard doesn't mean its the best product. There's probably still room for an open source, confederated IM client with proper workspaces, history management, and ubiquitous clients.
- nmfisher 7y ago
  > There's probably still room for an open source, confederated IM client with proper workspaces, history management, and ubiquitous clients. Matrix?

Alex3917 7y ago

> Closed protocols (so it seems - didn't see evidence to the contrary). The email itself is presumably just an email. If the company goes out of business you still have all the emails, and at the worst you're just missing how many people Liked them or whatever.

gremlinsinc 7y ago
It's an interesting concept, I think for an email disrupter though, you'd do better w/ maybe open core software. So people can build upon and really make it the next gen of email, not a closed wall.