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Someone should look at Sterilray and Ushio 222nm KrCl excimer lamps. Light at that frequency is extremely effective at destroying viruses but probably does not

Someone should look at Sterilray and Ushio 222nm KrCl excimer lamps. Light at that frequency is extremely effective at destroying viruses but probably does not cause much skin cancer or eye damage like other UV because it is absorbed so fast it doesn't make it through the dead layer of skin etc. There are at least some studies but no FDA approval or mass production. If they work these might make a big difference in transmission in public spaces, especially via surfaces.

deftnerd 7y ago
Even if 222nm has its purposes, the market is crying out for inexpensive and plentiful UV-C 253nm LED's. You can get UV LED's in different wavelengths, but 253nm is the very effective for disinfection (even though it does suffer from the other UV damage that you mentioned). It's slightly wider wavelength might make it more possible to make using existing LED manufacturing techniques. This would open up a lot of possible germicidal sanitation technologies from integrated germicidal LED's on door handles, bulbs used with home automation to disinfect a whole home once everyone has left for the day, to Roomba-like devices that disinfect floors.
- nullc 7y ago
  Doubling down on your comment about germicidal UV. The existing standard way to get germicidal UV is low pressure mercury lamps. They're somewhat energy inefficient, and their UV output is lifetime and temperature dependent. The long quartz tubes are fragile and its common for them to have a design lifetime of ~10k hours, and they're hazardous waste. [Aside, I believe the peak germicidal wavelength is 265nm, 253 is just the nearest line that mercury lamps have]. Some of the applications you mention might be problematic because many indoor materials aren't particularly UV durable. The idea that conventional home automation might drive germicidal lamps is kinda frightening to me. ALEXA DEACTIVATE CANCER TUBES. ALEXA! ALEXA! :P
- headgasket 7y ago
  this is an avenue right up HN's crowds' alley. lets brainstorm in the open on this.
- cagenut 7y ago
  I've been kinda scheming on this but didn't know where to ask, this thread seems relevent. How hard/possible would it be to make a ~1m tube of 1 -3cm diameter, with a LED strip suspended down the centerline. a charcoal filter and a very light fan on one end, and face-mask on the other end. the fan and LED could be powered by an 18650 dangling from a lanyard/necklace. some kind of valve in the face mask would have to vent your exhales and then toggle for the inhales to draw through the tube. How far off am I on the parts? You can get a 10Wh 18650, can you run a 1 meter strip of UV LEDs at 5 or 10W? Would that be enough power at the right distance (radius) and for enough time (an inhale would draw air through quickly) to do the job?
  - sizzle 7y ago
    I don't think there are any studies on efficacy of LED UV light exposure necessary to eradicate airborne Covid-19 droplets. Would love for any studies that may guide us interested in the topic of killing airborne virus droplets.
programmarchy 7y ago
There was a thread about this that unfortunately didn’t get much traction: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22233032 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22233032 Link to paper: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-21058-w/ https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-21058-w/

deftnerd 7y ago

Even if 222nm has its purposes, the market is crying out for inexpensive and plentiful UV-C 253nm LED's. You can get UV LED's in different wavelengths, but 253nm is the very effective for disinfection (even though it does suffer from the other UV damage that you mentioned). It's slightly wider wavelength might make it more possible to make using existing LED manufacturing techniques. This would open up a lot of possible germicidal sanitation technologies from integrated germicidal LED's on door handles, bulbs used with home automation to disinfect a whole home once everyone has left for the day, to Roomba-like devices that disinfect floors.

nullc 7y ago
Doubling down on your comment about germicidal UV. The existing standard way to get germicidal UV is low pressure mercury lamps. They're somewhat energy inefficient, and their UV output is lifetime and temperature dependent. The long quartz tubes are fragile and its common for them to have a design lifetime of ~10k hours, and they're hazardous waste. [Aside, I believe the peak germicidal wavelength is 265nm, 253 is just the nearest line that mercury lamps have]. Some of the applications you mention might be problematic because many indoor materials aren't particularly UV durable. The idea that conventional home automation might drive germicidal lamps is kinda frightening to me. ALEXA DEACTIVATE CANCER TUBES. ALEXA! ALEXA! :P
headgasket 7y ago
this is an avenue right up HN's crowds' alley. lets brainstorm in the open on this.
cagenut 7y ago
I've been kinda scheming on this but didn't know where to ask, this thread seems relevent. How hard/possible would it be to make a ~1m tube of 1 -3cm diameter, with a LED strip suspended down the centerline. a charcoal filter and a very light fan on one end, and face-mask on the other end. the fan and LED could be powered by an 18650 dangling from a lanyard/necklace. some kind of valve in the face mask would have to vent your exhales and then toggle for the inhales to draw through the tube. How far off am I on the parts? You can get a 10Wh 18650, can you run a 1 meter strip of UV LEDs at 5 or 10W? Would that be enough power at the right distance (radius) and for enough time (an inhale would draw air through quickly) to do the job?
- sizzle 7y ago
  I don't think there are any studies on efficacy of LED UV light exposure necessary to eradicate airborne Covid-19 droplets. Would love for any studies that may guide us interested in the topic of killing airborne virus droplets.

programmarchy 7y ago

There was a thread about this that unfortunately didn’t get much traction: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22233032 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22233032 Link to paper: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-21058-w/ https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-21058-w/