> Then you should know better than anyone here that even your family is strongly incentivized by an Orwellian surveillance system with a social credit score sys

> Then you should know better than anyone here that even your family is strongly incentivized by an Orwellian surveillance system with a social credit score system to lie even to you. Yeah... No, that's not how it works. Hasn't for 40 years. I was born there. > I also do not believe that you are arguing in good faith - it is no secret that Chinese astroturfing is all over the internet. Check my account history and my github profile. I am a real person. > This is literally the government that is imprisoning millions of ethnic Muslims and at best forcing propaganda down their throats Okay. This claim is true. But I don't think you are viewing this particular situation from the right angle. Check Kim Iversen: https://youtu.be/Ff4YZBi4UTc https://youtu.be/Ff4YZBi4UTc Check CGTN: https://youtu.be/h2yMjbB1q24 https://youtu.be/h2yMjbB1q24 TLDR: Terrorism. For 20 years. 10% of the population is radicalized and thinks killing others is good. Hundreds of people killed, thousands wounded. In part fueled by poverty, in part fueled by radical education. Something clearly must be done. But what? The US chose to bomb muslim countries. China chose to force them to go to school to learn ethics, mandarin, and job skills -- what you call "forcing propaganda down their throat". Now, forcing people to do anything is less than ideal. And they are probably forcing more people than necessary because they can't identify exactly who is radicalized and who isn't. But living in a safe society, where there are no people out to kill you, is ALSO a human right. You can't just ignore this real problem and only focus on the government action part. I am not saying it is all good but the situation is much more different and nuanced than 'China imprisons millions because China is evil'. > Do not by swayed so easily by shallow propaganda in the form of aid donations - this does not mean that China is actually recovered Then shouldn't you be glad that China is over stretching itself? If China is in a bad shape them donating to other countries will destroy China. Never interrupt an enemy who is making a mistake. > Why is China saber rattling right now about how the US was the origin of the virus[0]? China isn't claiming the US is definitely the origin. China says this is a possibility. This is based on DNA research of the virus, as well as timing: 1. the US has more mutations of the virus, while China has fewer. Virologists says that this suggests the strain in China is not the original one, and that the ones in US are older. Or something like that: i am not a virologist so i don't fully understand this. Someone who is more knowledge, please fill in. 2. The start of the virus coincided with some military games event where the US army visited Wuhan. China is not saying the US engineered the virus. It is saying the virus might naturally have started in the US, where it went undetected and brushed away as an abnormally bad flu season. Now, this is still very much speculation and conspiracy theory-y, I will give you that. But the US CDC isn't exactly doing a good job with investigating the general situation in the US population. Seeing how the US media talks about China, and seeing how China has traditionally been very defensive in its communications, I don't think it is weird at all for China to one day have become more assertive.