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1913 US dollar backed by gold @ $25/oz. Therefore was 1/5 oz of gold. Thats a 2020 equivalent to $300 per day and there was no income tax. This is whats been

by _red 7y ago

1913 US dollar backed by gold @ $25/oz. Therefore was 1/5 oz of gold. Thats a 2020 equivalent to $300 per day and there was no income tax. This is whats been stolen from you.

RubenvanE 7y ago
A better way to find the 2020 equivalent of $5.00 would be to look at the change in Consumer Price Index (CPI) over the past century. The CPI changed from 9.9 in 1913 to 255.7 in 2019. So $5.00 dollars in 1913 is equal to about $130.00 in 2020.
- _red 7y ago
  >CPI * hedonic adjustments * variable basket of goods * structurally created to understate inflation to save gov money on entitlement payments
  - derriz 7y ago
    The difficulties with CPI are well known to economists and anyone interested in historical finance. But its flaws are insignificant compared to using the price of gold as a measuring stick - given how volatile its price is. By your method of calculating equivalent amounts, the $5 a day was worth $300 in 2020 but only $200 in 2016 - or $380 in 2012 or $50 in 2002.
    - fuzzfactor 7y ago
      IRC these wide variations are all due to relatively greater fluctuations in the value of the dollar compared to relatively lesser fluctuations in the functional value of gold. With uneven but too-frequent devaluation events, the US dollar, or indices based on it, certainly does not have enough continuity to make accurate trending across the previous century feasible. These events are usually reserved for situations when other assets are in extreme flux, exacerbating the difficulty accommodating the discontinuity. This has been by design.
Gunax 7y ago
Why gold? Anyone can choose any commodity for comparison. Re-do it using copper--or potatoes--and you'll get different answers.
- fuzzfactor 7y ago
  Becaue gold (and silver) is the Constitutionally mandated legal tender the US dollar is supposed to be based on, and it was still true when the Model T got started. That's the exact form of compensation, whether wages or bonus, that American wage earners had simply been working for up until that time. There was extreme ambition for gold in particular continuously since before ancient Roman times, and few substitutes had yet been well accepted. The degree of undue trust in politicians as beneficial economic influencers was not as strangling. Some American workers actually often earned decent amounts of gold while others worldwide usually earned much less or none for similar effort.
  - dragonwriter 7y ago
    > Becaue gold (and silver) is the Constitutionally mandated legal tender the US dollar is supposed to be based on. No, it's not, and neither is anything else. The Constitution doesn't mandate any particular basis for federal legal tender; it does restrict what states can make legal tender, but gives Congress unrestricted power to coin money of any kind and set it's value (and the value of foreign money of any kind.)
    - fuzzfactor 7y ago
      You are correct, I was mistaken, it was a 1792 Act of Congress. Not Constitutional, but going back before 1792, precious metal is still the only true currency the USA as young Ford knew it had been built upon since the beginning. With gold and dollar still locked together having equal and excellent stability over longer terms, it was still possible to more meaningfully extrapolate relative wealth and value for labor in terms of gold & silver, and back much further in time than a single century, in some ways back millennia. After the Fed, removal of gold coins & certificates, eventual confiscation of gold, then abandonment of the dollar's link altogether in the most recent century, not so much. But the further you go back the less realistic units other than gold still turn out to be. Anyway, with Ford putting out USD5 per day, the rare worker who could go 100 days without other obligations could then afford a nice Model T Ford family car for cash taking home their gross pay, which is what you needed since financing was not so common. Seems like Ford probably is putting out close to USD300 per day now, the present worker just takes home a much smaller percentage and needs to settle for relatively less expensive cars than the _nice_ full-sized ones.

by _red 7y ago

1913 US dollar backed by gold @ $25/oz. Therefore was 1/5 oz of gold. Thats a 2020 equivalent to $300 per day and there was no income tax. This is whats been stolen from you.

RubenvanE 7y ago

A better way to find the 2020 equivalent of $5.00 would be to look at the change in Consumer Price Index (CPI) over the past century. The CPI changed from 9.9 in 1913 to 255.7 in 2019. So $5.00 dollars in 1913 is equal to about $130.00 in 2020.

_red 7y ago
>CPI * hedonic adjustments * variable basket of goods * structurally created to understate inflation to save gov money on entitlement payments
- derriz 7y ago
  The difficulties with CPI are well known to economists and anyone interested in historical finance. But its flaws are insignificant compared to using the price of gold as a measuring stick - given how volatile its price is. By your method of calculating equivalent amounts, the $5 a day was worth $300 in 2020 but only $200 in 2016 - or $380 in 2012 or $50 in 2002.
  - fuzzfactor 7y ago
    IRC these wide variations are all due to relatively greater fluctuations in the value of the dollar compared to relatively lesser fluctuations in the functional value of gold. With uneven but too-frequent devaluation events, the US dollar, or indices based on it, certainly does not have enough continuity to make accurate trending across the previous century feasible. These events are usually reserved for situations when other assets are in extreme flux, exacerbating the difficulty accommodating the discontinuity. This has been by design.

Gunax 7y ago

Why gold? Anyone can choose any commodity for comparison. Re-do it using copper--or potatoes--and you'll get different answers.

fuzzfactor 7y ago
Becaue gold (and silver) is the Constitutionally mandated legal tender the US dollar is supposed to be based on, and it was still true when the Model T got started. That's the exact form of compensation, whether wages or bonus, that American wage earners had simply been working for up until that time. There was extreme ambition for gold in particular continuously since before ancient Roman times, and few substitutes had yet been well accepted. The degree of undue trust in politicians as beneficial economic influencers was not as strangling. Some American workers actually often earned decent amounts of gold while others worldwide usually earned much less or none for similar effort.
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  > Becaue gold (and silver) is the Constitutionally mandated legal tender the US dollar is supposed to be based on. No, it's not, and neither is anything else. The Constitution doesn't mandate any particular basis for federal legal tender; it does restrict what states can make legal tender, but gives Congress unrestricted power to coin money of any kind and set it's value (and the value of foreign money of any kind.)
  - fuzzfactor 7y ago
    You are correct, I was mistaken, it was a 1792 Act of Congress. Not Constitutional, but going back before 1792, precious metal is still the only true currency the USA as young Ford knew it had been built upon since the beginning. With gold and dollar still locked together having equal and excellent stability over longer terms, it was still possible to more meaningfully extrapolate relative wealth and value for labor in terms of gold & silver, and back much further in time than a single century, in some ways back millennia. After the Fed, removal of gold coins & certificates, eventual confiscation of gold, then abandonment of the dollar's link altogether in the most recent century, not so much. But the further you go back the less realistic units other than gold still turn out to be. Anyway, with Ford putting out USD5 per day, the rare worker who could go 100 days without other obligations could then afford a nice Model T Ford family car for cash taking home their gross pay, which is what you needed since financing was not so common. Seems like Ford probably is putting out close to USD300 per day now, the present worker just takes home a much smaller percentage and needs to settle for relatively less expensive cars than the _nice_ full-sized ones.