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There is a big anti-trump movement, but people are unwilling/afraid to protest on the streets. The US has traditionally suppressed protest movements, consider f

There is a big anti-trump movement, but people are unwilling/afraid to protest on the streets. The US has traditionally suppressed protest movements, consider for example occupy WS and Black Lives Matter.

tristor 7y ago
Neither of those movements were "suppressed". That's an extraordinary claim and I'd love to see some evidence. Last time I checked, OWS went on unabated until it collapsed under its own weight due to no clear direction or leadership. BLM continues to this day and performs protests all over the country, some of which have resulted in violence and rioting, yet are not touched by most cities. There are a lot of people, myself included, that don't like Donald Trump, but it is just factually untrue to say that the US is suppressing protests. It's more accurate to say most people are more focused on waking up in the morning, getting to work, and feeding their families than whatever shenanigans are happening around them.
- coliveira 7y ago
  "Throughout our country’s history, the federal government has used the fear of threats – real or perceived – to conduct surveillance on domestic groups and people who look or act different. Civil rights and anti-Vietnam War activists in the 1960s and 1970s, American Muslim civil rights leaders and academics post-9/11, and the FBI’s recent, expansive racial, religious, and ethnic mapping program are a handful of examples. Modern protest movements speak, associate, and organize through social media. Their tweets, blogs, protests, marches, and die-ins are the trumpets by which they call for reform and social justice. Government monitoring of activists’ protests – simply because these activists dissent and without any evidence of wrongdoing – threatens to discourage them from speaking, associating, and expressing as is their right under the First Amendment. Surveillance of #BlackLivesMatter protests also opens the door to racial profiling because the movement is Black-led." https://www.aclu.org/blog/racial-justice/government-watching-blacklivesmatter-and-its-not-okay https://www.aclu.org/blog/racial-justice/government-watching...
  - tristor 7y ago
    I agree with you that those things happen and are wrong. However, they don't meet the bar of "suppression". Suppression is an action, it's an active thing. When China arrests doctors for posting on social media about a new disease or when they fire tear gas at people and beat them with clubs while they are protesting peacefully on the streets in Hong Kong, THAT is suppression. It's also a problem that we live in a massive world of surveillance enabled by commercial entities and exploited by governments, but that is not in itself a form of suppression. If you were to consider this suppression, then technically we are all suppressed in our everyday lives from nearly any activity or statement which dissents from the norm. Meanwhile, over here in reality I'm well known among friends and coworkers as being a cranky guy who dissents about nearly everything for good reasons that most people are too busy with their lives to care about. Hanlon's Razor feels like it's necessary to be invoked, or at least a corollary here. No shadowy conspiracy makes protest movements in the US ineffective, what makes them ineffective is that the average American is /just, barely/ comfortable enough in their daily life to not consider it worth it to join. Even when people are uncomfortable, they fear losing what little they have on a slim promise of change if they join a protest movement. My statements are not to laud the state of the US or the actions of our government, just to defend the sanctity of meaning behind our words.
NotSammyHagar 7y ago
I don't think they are afraid. There have been a series of protests. When he was first starting in office there was a march for science,for example, I went to that one. I (like many others, I'm not special) at the 2016 election I left my city and went out in the countryside to door bell for a us representative in a close race, turning over the seat to dems - that was a little scary. But I'd like for there to be public demonstrations, I was hoping somebody else would organize. I should have done something of course. Now it's too late, at least a little unsafe to assemble in large crowds.

tristor 7y ago

Neither of those movements were "suppressed". That's an extraordinary claim and I'd love to see some evidence. Last time I checked, OWS went on unabated until it collapsed under its own weight due to no clear direction or leadership. BLM continues to this day and performs protests all over the country, some of which have resulted in violence and rioting, yet are not touched by most cities. There are a lot of people, myself included, that don't like Donald Trump, but it is just factually untrue to say that the US is suppressing protests. It's more accurate to say most people are more focused on waking up in the morning, getting to work, and feeding their families than whatever shenanigans are happening around them.

coliveira 7y ago
"Throughout our country’s history, the federal government has used the fear of threats – real or perceived – to conduct surveillance on domestic groups and people who look or act different. Civil rights and anti-Vietnam War activists in the 1960s and 1970s, American Muslim civil rights leaders and academics post-9/11, and the FBI’s recent, expansive racial, religious, and ethnic mapping program are a handful of examples. Modern protest movements speak, associate, and organize through social media. Their tweets, blogs, protests, marches, and die-ins are the trumpets by which they call for reform and social justice. Government monitoring of activists’ protests – simply because these activists dissent and without any evidence of wrongdoing – threatens to discourage them from speaking, associating, and expressing as is their right under the First Amendment. Surveillance of #BlackLivesMatter protests also opens the door to racial profiling because the movement is Black-led." https://www.aclu.org/blog/racial-justice/government-watching-blacklivesmatter-and-its-not-okay https://www.aclu.org/blog/racial-justice/government-watching...
- tristor 7y ago
  I agree with you that those things happen and are wrong. However, they don't meet the bar of "suppression". Suppression is an action, it's an active thing. When China arrests doctors for posting on social media about a new disease or when they fire tear gas at people and beat them with clubs while they are protesting peacefully on the streets in Hong Kong, THAT is suppression. It's also a problem that we live in a massive world of surveillance enabled by commercial entities and exploited by governments, but that is not in itself a form of suppression. If you were to consider this suppression, then technically we are all suppressed in our everyday lives from nearly any activity or statement which dissents from the norm. Meanwhile, over here in reality I'm well known among friends and coworkers as being a cranky guy who dissents about nearly everything for good reasons that most people are too busy with their lives to care about. Hanlon's Razor feels like it's necessary to be invoked, or at least a corollary here. No shadowy conspiracy makes protest movements in the US ineffective, what makes them ineffective is that the average American is /just, barely/ comfortable enough in their daily life to not consider it worth it to join. Even when people are uncomfortable, they fear losing what little they have on a slim promise of change if they join a protest movement. My statements are not to laud the state of the US or the actions of our government, just to defend the sanctity of meaning behind our words.

NotSammyHagar 7y ago

I don't think they are afraid. There have been a series of protests. When he was first starting in office there was a march for science,for example, I went to that one. I (like many others, I'm not special) at the 2016 election I left my city and went out in the countryside to door bell for a us representative in a close race, turning over the seat to dems - that was a little scary. But I'd like for there to be public demonstrations, I was hoping somebody else would organize. I should have done something of course. Now it's too late, at least a little unsafe to assemble in large crowds.