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Not only that, but it blindsided European leaders. You'd think one would want to communicate an incoming travel ban to our allies before announcing it on live t

Not only that, but it blindsided European leaders. You'd think one would want to communicate an incoming travel ban to our allies before announcing it on live television... https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/world/2020/03/12/many-europe-blindsided-travel-restrictions-see-political-move-trump/pzRHbIfn3C5JzdFo9LIEQL/story.html https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/world/2020/03/12/many-europ...

NicoJuicy 7y ago
That's what you get with an incompetent leader in the US :) His means of communication is impulsive use of Twitter, so I don't know how you could expect something different.
- spectramax 7y ago
  From all Americans, I want to apologize for our stupid fucking leader.
  - NicoJuicy 7y ago
    We know, no worries ;) Our partnership has been stable and long. No idiot can change it in just one term.
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  - hervature 7y ago
    40% of Americans don't want you to apologize on their behalf [0]. From a Canadian, this type of comment is exactly what is driving your country apart and what lead to the election of Trump in the first place. [0] - https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/...
    - whateveracct 7y ago
      What is your suggestion for unifying with people who support a leader who has abused his power in broad daylight over and over again? And who has abused that power to avoid punishment for other abuses? It seems pretty fundamental to me: It's a matter of if are you okay with a blatant authoritarian if he's in your side. I don't know how to bridge that cultural difference in how we wish our leaders to behave.
      - NicoJuicy 7y ago
        Just show the world how dumb Trump really is, instead of showing/suggesting how he is getting money in a corrupt way. That's how you convince people who don't like/hate the traditional system.
      - hervature 7y ago
        Go talk to them, listen to them, sympathize with them, you know, be a compassionate human instead insinuating their stupidity by outright calling someone they support stupid.
        whateveracct 7y ago
        Are you replying to the right comment? Nothing in my comment said anything about Trump or his supporters' intelligence in any way.
        NicoJuicy 7y ago
        It's not an insinuation. Who can't see that Tr. is in politics for his own pockets is it too. I've added a lot of pointers already. But another one is to look up the documentary about his son in law: Kusher Properties. They are literally made for each other and not in a good way.
        NicoJuicy 7y ago
        Other comment for handling a different argument. I joined a big discussion group to see how I could convince people ( > 8000 Dutch members on Facebook). While I took a lot of effort for 5 months to reason with the outliers of the group. I had concluded that it was not possible to reason with outliers since they used "Whataboutisme" and the only effective way to convince other people and "shut them up" ( I know it sounds rude) was to actually be rude, handle their current arguments and point out the idiocracy of the arguments they were using ( hence the harsh term used). My effectiveness rate went from 4-5% to almost 90% in having the "last" argument. It also seemed to greatly reduced the amount of pointless topics started by that person. There was only once someone effective in working arround it, using "doubtful" sources.
- yawboakye 7y ago
  Do you have an example of a competent leader in Europe? I'll wait. Feel free to offer reasons why you consider them competent. Thank you.
  - whateveracct 7y ago
    Is there a leader in the EU as blatantly criminal and kleptocratic as Trump?
  - NicoJuicy 7y ago
    Angela Merkel and many others. You have to know that we don't have the 1 guy is all principle. A leader here is a communication channel after internal discussion in their party. If there's a rotten egg ( eg. Like in Hungary) the democratic system will adjust to filter him out after a while. It's slower, yes. But it's less confusing and I think it's a good thing. No wild bull situations like in the US. I would say that I very much liked Obama. A lot of charisma, he also notified the EU about some things but he did it with a sense of decenty. Which shows clear intellect and respect.
    - yawboakye 7y ago
      Have you lived in Germany under Angela Merkel's rule or you're out here naming people who aren't Trump? I've lived in Germany for 2 years, left for Ireland because of poor government, who due to their inability to take care of their own people, have resuscitated a right wing that will stop at nothing. If that's what you call a competent leader then you need recalibration. I'm from an African country which has seen crazy high numbers for visa applications to the US as well as overstays because their economy is doing. I haven't lived under Trump's administration so I can make a call here (even though I've started investing heavily in US companies and reaping amazing results). So call Trump incompetent, but when you have to come up with an example of competence please dig deeper. That said, ask the Nigerians and other West Africans whose relatives are sold into slavery via Libya about what they think of Obama. Just to be circumspect.
      - NicoJuicy 7y ago
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NicoJuicy 7y ago

That's what you get with an incompetent leader in the US :) His means of communication is impulsive use of Twitter, so I don't know how you could expect something different.

spectramax 7y ago
From all Americans, I want to apologize for our stupid fucking leader.
- NicoJuicy 7y ago
  We know, no worries ;) Our partnership has been stable and long. No idiot can change it in just one term.
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]
- hervature 7y ago
  40% of Americans don't want you to apologize on their behalf [0]. From a Canadian, this type of comment is exactly what is driving your country apart and what lead to the election of Trump in the first place. [0] - https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/...
  - whateveracct 7y ago
    What is your suggestion for unifying with people who support a leader who has abused his power in broad daylight over and over again? And who has abused that power to avoid punishment for other abuses? It seems pretty fundamental to me: It's a matter of if are you okay with a blatant authoritarian if he's in your side. I don't know how to bridge that cultural difference in how we wish our leaders to behave.
    - NicoJuicy 7y ago
      Just show the world how dumb Trump really is, instead of showing/suggesting how he is getting money in a corrupt way. That's how you convince people who don't like/hate the traditional system.
    - hervature 7y ago
      Go talk to them, listen to them, sympathize with them, you know, be a compassionate human instead insinuating their stupidity by outright calling someone they support stupid.
      - whateveracct 7y ago
        Are you replying to the right comment? Nothing in my comment said anything about Trump or his supporters' intelligence in any way.
      - NicoJuicy 7y ago
        It's not an insinuation. Who can't see that Tr. is in politics for his own pockets is it too. I've added a lot of pointers already. But another one is to look up the documentary about his son in law: Kusher Properties. They are literally made for each other and not in a good way.
      - NicoJuicy 7y ago
        Other comment for handling a different argument. I joined a big discussion group to see how I could convince people ( > 8000 Dutch members on Facebook). While I took a lot of effort for 5 months to reason with the outliers of the group. I had concluded that it was not possible to reason with outliers since they used "Whataboutisme" and the only effective way to convince other people and "shut them up" ( I know it sounds rude) was to actually be rude, handle their current arguments and point out the idiocracy of the arguments they were using ( hence the harsh term used). My effectiveness rate went from 4-5% to almost 90% in having the "last" argument. It also seemed to greatly reduced the amount of pointless topics started by that person. There was only once someone effective in working arround it, using "doubtful" sources.
yawboakye 7y ago
Do you have an example of a competent leader in Europe? I'll wait. Feel free to offer reasons why you consider them competent. Thank you.
- whateveracct 7y ago
  Is there a leader in the EU as blatantly criminal and kleptocratic as Trump?
- NicoJuicy 7y ago
  Angela Merkel and many others. You have to know that we don't have the 1 guy is all principle. A leader here is a communication channel after internal discussion in their party. If there's a rotten egg ( eg. Like in Hungary) the democratic system will adjust to filter him out after a while. It's slower, yes. But it's less confusing and I think it's a good thing. No wild bull situations like in the US. I would say that I very much liked Obama. A lot of charisma, he also notified the EU about some things but he did it with a sense of decenty. Which shows clear intellect and respect.
  - yawboakye 7y ago
    Have you lived in Germany under Angela Merkel's rule or you're out here naming people who aren't Trump? I've lived in Germany for 2 years, left for Ireland because of poor government, who due to their inability to take care of their own people, have resuscitated a right wing that will stop at nothing. If that's what you call a competent leader then you need recalibration. I'm from an African country which has seen crazy high numbers for visa applications to the US as well as overstays because their economy is doing. I haven't lived under Trump's administration so I can make a call here (even though I've started investing heavily in US companies and reaping amazing results). So call Trump incompetent, but when you have to come up with an example of competence please dig deeper. That said, ask the Nigerians and other West Africans whose relatives are sold into slavery via Libya about what they think of Obama. Just to be circumspect.
    - NicoJuicy 7y ago
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