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They confirmed they Trump offered them money to research in Vaccine in the US Not that Trump wants the Vaccine "only for the US" The truth, like with anything

by syshum 7y ago

They confirmed they Trump offered them money to research in Vaccine in the US Not that Trump wants the Vaccine "only for the US" The truth, like with anything, is probably in the middle. In that what ever nation developed the vaccine their citizens will be the ones to get access to it first, logic dictates that if the vaccine is develop in Germany it will be distributed around Germany first, then other nations shortly there after (probably EU nations next, then the UK, then the US which could be weeks later). Most likely The American government would want that to happen in the US first.

mgolawala 7y ago
What logic ACTUALLY dictates is that once the vaccine is developed, the license to produce it is sold to all countries so that each country affected can begin mass producing it for their populations, and the global vaccine production capacity is utilized.
ajross 7y ago
> The truth, like with anything, is probably in the middle The story, really, isn't about truth. It's about trust. The German government clearly does not trust the USA to share a vaccine. And why would they? Everyone who's been watching US foreign policy for the last three years knows the "America First" bent of its chief executive. They know the kind of xenophobic stuff that gets said on its "state television station" every day. They can read polls, and know that the political base of the ruling party would genuinely cheer for a situation where the USA had exclusive access to a vaccine. So they don't trust the US to control a biochem company. That's a problem, but it's not a problem with this particular event (realistically we're going to get a ton of vaccine variants from different labs -- vaccine development is hardly rocket surgery, as it were). It's a problem with the way US (really republican) foreign policy has been positioned in the modern world. And it's kind of a disaster.
- syshum 7y ago
  Well then I guess we are going to disagree on foreign policy, while I am not 100% on board with the "America First" train, I am also opposed to Globalism and losing American Sovereignty, trade deals that favor corporations and disfavor American Citizens, I also dont like my tax money being used to Secure and police other nations. So far there is not much Trump as done in regards to foreign policy that I disagree with
  - ajross 7y ago
    > So far there is not much Trump as done in regards to foreign policy that I disagree with Except for culturing a situation where one of our closest allies justifiably doesn't trust us to help them out, even in straightforward ways, in the biggest international crisis of the last 70 years, you mean. We've come a fucking long way from the Berlin airlift, huh? The biggest disaster isn't Trump, really. It's the realization that his poison goes so deep in the american psyche. No one will think of us the same again.
    - pinkfoot 7y ago
      > No one will think of us the same again. Offer a few thousand green-cards at random at embassies around the third world. You will be forgiven in less than 5 minutes.
      - ajross 7y ago
        This is more or less exactly what I meant. Once upon a time, the US was perceived as a world leader and a savior of last resort, by our own citizens as well as the world community. Now we're seeing another crisis, and our leaders and their followers insist, like you do, on viewing the whole thing through the lens of... unwanted immigration. Seriously? Basically, we used to be the teachers in the schoolyard. Now we're a ramshackle fort of sneering kids trying to keep people out of "our" stuff.
        pinkfoot 7y ago
        > the lens of... unwanted immigration. Seriously? That is not the lens I am seeing it through. Rather, where I live NO ONE could care less about your world leadership or whether you are or ever were the teachers, blah, blah, blah. All of us out here will bitch and moan about the USA, but give anyone of us a ticket to the USA (especially if our family can come along) and we'll take it in a heartbeat. You aren't our teachers, you are the bank. Seriously.
- w_t_payne 7y ago
  Trust is a key commodity in times of crisis. A commodity that, sadly, has been squandered all to readily in recent years.
madez 7y ago
If that weren't the case, so if the Trump administration just wanted to invest and also have access to the vaccine, this wouldn't be news and just business as usual, and everybody would benefit from it. Also, that would not get the CEO fired, and the German government wouldn't engage in talks in this case. So the evidence strongly suggests that the reports from multiple sources are indeed correct.
roywiggins 7y ago
The Welt am Sonntag report says "US-Präsident Donald Trump versucht offenbar, deutsche Wissenschaftler, die an einem potenziellen Corona-Impfstoff arbeiten, mit hohen finanziellen Zuwendungen nach Amerika zu locken beziehungsweise das Medikament exklusiv für sein Land zu sichern." which Google Translate assures me means "US President Donald Trump apparently tries to lure German scientists working on a potential corona vaccine to America with high financial donations or to secure the drug exclusively for his country." https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article206555143/Corona-USA-will-Zugriff-auf-deutsche-Impfstoff-Firma.html https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article206555143/Corona-USA-w...

by syshum 7y ago

mgolawala 7y ago

What logic ACTUALLY dictates is that once the vaccine is developed, the license to produce it is sold to all countries so that each country affected can begin mass producing it for their populations, and the global vaccine production capacity is utilized.

ajross 7y ago

> The truth, like with anything, is probably in the middle The story, really, isn't about truth. It's about trust. The German government clearly does not trust the USA to share a vaccine. And why would they? Everyone who's been watching US foreign policy for the last three years knows the "America First" bent of its chief executive. They know the kind of xenophobic stuff that gets said on its "state television station" every day. They can read polls, and know that the political base of the ruling party would genuinely cheer for a situation where the USA had exclusive access to a vaccine. So they don't trust the US to control a biochem company. That's a problem, but it's not a problem with this particular event (realistically we're going to get a ton of vaccine variants from different labs -- vaccine development is hardly rocket surgery, as it were). It's a problem with the way US (really republican) foreign policy has been positioned in the modern world. And it's kind of a disaster.

syshum 7y ago
Well then I guess we are going to disagree on foreign policy, while I am not 100% on board with the "America First" train, I am also opposed to Globalism and losing American Sovereignty, trade deals that favor corporations and disfavor American Citizens, I also dont like my tax money being used to Secure and police other nations. So far there is not much Trump as done in regards to foreign policy that I disagree with
- ajross 7y ago
  > So far there is not much Trump as done in regards to foreign policy that I disagree with Except for culturing a situation where one of our closest allies justifiably doesn't trust us to help them out, even in straightforward ways, in the biggest international crisis of the last 70 years, you mean. We've come a fucking long way from the Berlin airlift, huh? The biggest disaster isn't Trump, really. It's the realization that his poison goes so deep in the american psyche. No one will think of us the same again.
  - pinkfoot 7y ago
    > No one will think of us the same again. Offer a few thousand green-cards at random at embassies around the third world. You will be forgiven in less than 5 minutes.
    - ajross 7y ago
      This is more or less exactly what I meant. Once upon a time, the US was perceived as a world leader and a savior of last resort, by our own citizens as well as the world community. Now we're seeing another crisis, and our leaders and their followers insist, like you do, on viewing the whole thing through the lens of... unwanted immigration. Seriously? Basically, we used to be the teachers in the schoolyard. Now we're a ramshackle fort of sneering kids trying to keep people out of "our" stuff.
      - pinkfoot 7y ago
        > the lens of... unwanted immigration. Seriously? That is not the lens I am seeing it through. Rather, where I live NO ONE could care less about your world leadership or whether you are or ever were the teachers, blah, blah, blah. All of us out here will bitch and moan about the USA, but give anyone of us a ticket to the USA (especially if our family can come along) and we'll take it in a heartbeat. You aren't our teachers, you are the bank. Seriously.
w_t_payne 7y ago
Trust is a key commodity in times of crisis. A commodity that, sadly, has been squandered all to readily in recent years.

madez 7y ago

If that weren't the case, so if the Trump administration just wanted to invest and also have access to the vaccine, this wouldn't be news and just business as usual, and everybody would benefit from it. Also, that would not get the CEO fired, and the German government wouldn't engage in talks in this case. So the evidence strongly suggests that the reports from multiple sources are indeed correct.

roywiggins 7y ago

The Welt am Sonntag report says "US-Präsident Donald Trump versucht offenbar, deutsche Wissenschaftler, die an einem potenziellen Corona-Impfstoff arbeiten, mit hohen finanziellen Zuwendungen nach Amerika zu locken beziehungsweise das Medikament exklusiv für sein Land zu sichern." which Google Translate assures me means "US President Donald Trump apparently tries to lure German scientists working on a potential corona vaccine to America with high financial donations or to secure the drug exclusively for his country." https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article206555143/Corona-USA-will-Zugriff-auf-deutsche-Impfstoff-Firma.html https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article206555143/Corona-USA-w...