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why would you work together with the US? They would steal and patent the results in the end or just claim that they invented it because they're the best country

by arez 7y ago

why would you work together with the US? They would steal and patent the results in the end or just claim that they invented it because they're the best country anyway and "America First". If the US politics don't change they will be left behind by Europe and China. I know that there are also a lot of US people who don't like Trump, but those people need to step up. Why is nobody protesting? Why isn't there a big Anti-Trump movement? The whole country is either cheering or watching it happen in shock

jszymborski 7y ago
I agree the current admin has made the US an uncredible ally. That said, Trump has been the most unpopular president in US history, and there is a huge resistance movement. The president has been impeached, and according to Generic Ballot polling, more people are willing to not vote for his party each day.
- syshum 7y ago
  Sounds like someone is in a bubble, RCP polling aggregate data shows Trump (before this crisis) at an all time high for popularity, and more popular than Obama at the end of his first term. There is a resistance movement only on the coasts of the US, and in some other Urban, largely democrat area's get out of Urban US and there is no resistance, at most it is slight disagreement, but most people in rural America support Trump completely this includes many in the "Rust Belt" which democrats need to win a national election, support they have completely and utterly lost
  - rfrey 7y ago
    RCP shows Trump's approval level has been below Obama's except for one period of about 4 months at the end of 2019, where they about tracked each other. Trump's disapproval level has consistently been 5-10% above Obama's, except for a couple of periods where Obama's disapproval spiked a bit for a few weeks. It never went above Trump's average disapproval though. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_vs_president_obama_job_approval.html https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_tru...
    - whoisthemachine 7y ago
      Thanks for finding this! I was trying to find the source for this comment as well. Seems it was mostly hot air.
  - whoisthemachine 7y ago
    Interesting, where did you see that on RCP? On 538, it clearly shows Obama (and most other presidents, with the exception of H.W Bush) had a higher approval rating 1158 days into their presidency - https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/.... I see this polling average for Trump - https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_tru... - and it seems to have a couple of extra points more than 538, but I do not see anything comparing Obama's polls to Trump's polls. I do recall 538 adjusts polls slightly based on bias in the sampled population [0]. Perhaps RCP doesn't take into account bias in polls? [0] https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/ https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/
sailfast 7y ago
It would be a mistake to conflate "America" and "Americans" with the current administration, generally. There are a lot of good people doing good work that I'm sure would also collaborate and share a global solution to this problem. Also, FWIW there is a considerable anti-Trump movement. You may remember he was recently impeached by the House of Representatives.
coliveira 7y ago
There is a big anti-trump movement, but people are unwilling/afraid to protest on the streets. The US has traditionally suppressed protest movements, consider for example occupy WS and Black Lives Matter.
- tristor 7y ago
  Neither of those movements were "suppressed". That's an extraordinary claim and I'd love to see some evidence. Last time I checked, OWS went on unabated until it collapsed under its own weight due to no clear direction or leadership. BLM continues to this day and performs protests all over the country, some of which have resulted in violence and rioting, yet are not touched by most cities. There are a lot of people, myself included, that don't like Donald Trump, but it is just factually untrue to say that the US is suppressing protests. It's more accurate to say most people are more focused on waking up in the morning, getting to work, and feeding their families than whatever shenanigans are happening around them.
  - coliveira 7y ago
    "Throughout our country’s history, the federal government has used the fear of threats – real or perceived – to conduct surveillance on domestic groups and people who look or act different. Civil rights and anti-Vietnam War activists in the 1960s and 1970s, American Muslim civil rights leaders and academics post-9/11, and the FBI’s recent, expansive racial, religious, and ethnic mapping program are a handful of examples. Modern protest movements speak, associate, and organize through social media. Their tweets, blogs, protests, marches, and die-ins are the trumpets by which they call for reform and social justice. Government monitoring of activists’ protests – simply because these activists dissent and without any evidence of wrongdoing – threatens to discourage them from speaking, associating, and expressing as is their right under the First Amendment. Surveillance of #BlackLivesMatter protests also opens the door to racial profiling because the movement is Black-led." https://www.aclu.org/blog/racial-justice/government-watching-blacklivesmatter-and-its-not-okay https://www.aclu.org/blog/racial-justice/government-watching...
    - 7y ago
dang 7y ago
Nationalistic flamewar is not welcome at any time on HN and certainly not now, so please don't post like this here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: you also broke the guidelines with a personal attack here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22341594 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22341594. If I had seen it at the time, I would have replied. We ban accounts that post comments like these, so please don't.
theferalrobot 7y ago
You should know this is fake news, if you read the Reuters report they cite as evidence there is no mention of exclusivity just funding. In fact the exact opposite is said. > The U.S. government has spoken with many (more than 25) companies that claim they can help with a vaccine. Most of these companies already received seed funding from U.S. investors... any solution found would be shared with the world https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-germany-usa/germany-tries-to-stop-u-s-from-luring-away-firm-seeking-coronavirus-vaccine-idUSKBN2120IV https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-german...

by arez 7y ago

jszymborski 7y ago

I agree the current admin has made the US an uncredible ally. That said, Trump has been the most unpopular president in US history, and there is a huge resistance movement. The president has been impeached, and according to Generic Ballot polling, more people are willing to not vote for his party each day.

syshum 7y ago
Sounds like someone is in a bubble, RCP polling aggregate data shows Trump (before this crisis) at an all time high for popularity, and more popular than Obama at the end of his first term. There is a resistance movement only on the coasts of the US, and in some other Urban, largely democrat area's get out of Urban US and there is no resistance, at most it is slight disagreement, but most people in rural America support Trump completely this includes many in the "Rust Belt" which democrats need to win a national election, support they have completely and utterly lost
- rfrey 7y ago
  RCP shows Trump's approval level has been below Obama's except for one period of about 4 months at the end of 2019, where they about tracked each other. Trump's disapproval level has consistently been 5-10% above Obama's, except for a couple of periods where Obama's disapproval spiked a bit for a few weeks. It never went above Trump's average disapproval though. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_vs_president_obama_job_approval.html https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_tru...
  - whoisthemachine 7y ago
    Thanks for finding this! I was trying to find the source for this comment as well. Seems it was mostly hot air.
- whoisthemachine 7y ago
  Interesting, where did you see that on RCP? On 538, it clearly shows Obama (and most other presidents, with the exception of H.W Bush) had a higher approval rating 1158 days into their presidency - https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/.... I see this polling average for Trump - https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_tru... - and it seems to have a couple of extra points more than 538, but I do not see anything comparing Obama's polls to Trump's polls. I do recall 538 adjusts polls slightly based on bias in the sampled population [0]. Perhaps RCP doesn't take into account bias in polls? [0] https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/ https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

sailfast 7y ago

It would be a mistake to conflate "America" and "Americans" with the current administration, generally. There are a lot of good people doing good work that I'm sure would also collaborate and share a global solution to this problem. Also, FWIW there is a considerable anti-Trump movement. You may remember he was recently impeached by the House of Representatives.

coliveira 7y ago

There is a big anti-trump movement, but people are unwilling/afraid to protest on the streets. The US has traditionally suppressed protest movements, consider for example occupy WS and Black Lives Matter.

tristor 7y ago
Neither of those movements were "suppressed". That's an extraordinary claim and I'd love to see some evidence. Last time I checked, OWS went on unabated until it collapsed under its own weight due to no clear direction or leadership. BLM continues to this day and performs protests all over the country, some of which have resulted in violence and rioting, yet are not touched by most cities. There are a lot of people, myself included, that don't like Donald Trump, but it is just factually untrue to say that the US is suppressing protests. It's more accurate to say most people are more focused on waking up in the morning, getting to work, and feeding their families than whatever shenanigans are happening around them.
- coliveira 7y ago
  "Throughout our country’s history, the federal government has used the fear of threats – real or perceived – to conduct surveillance on domestic groups and people who look or act different. Civil rights and anti-Vietnam War activists in the 1960s and 1970s, American Muslim civil rights leaders and academics post-9/11, and the FBI’s recent, expansive racial, religious, and ethnic mapping program are a handful of examples. Modern protest movements speak, associate, and organize through social media. Their tweets, blogs, protests, marches, and die-ins are the trumpets by which they call for reform and social justice. Government monitoring of activists’ protests – simply because these activists dissent and without any evidence of wrongdoing – threatens to discourage them from speaking, associating, and expressing as is their right under the First Amendment. Surveillance of #BlackLivesMatter protests also opens the door to racial profiling because the movement is Black-led." https://www.aclu.org/blog/racial-justice/government-watching-blacklivesmatter-and-its-not-okay https://www.aclu.org/blog/racial-justice/government-watching...
  - 7y ago

dang 7y ago

Nationalistic flamewar is not welcome at any time on HN and certainly not now, so please don't post like this here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: you also broke the guidelines with a personal attack here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22341594 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22341594. If I had seen it at the time, I would have replied. We ban accounts that post comments like these, so please don't.

theferalrobot 7y ago

You should know this is fake news, if you read the Reuters report they cite as evidence there is no mention of exclusivity just funding. In fact the exact opposite is said. > The U.S. government has spoken with many (more than 25) companies that claim they can help with a vaccine. Most of these companies already received seed funding from U.S. investors... any solution found would be shared with the world https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-germany-usa/germany-tries-to-stop-u-s-from-luring-away-firm-seeking-coronavirus-vaccine-idUSKBN2120IV https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-german...