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It's not just about your health or your life. This is what R0 means - even if you end up fine after getting the disease, you're going to transmit it to other pe

It's not just about your health or your life. This is what R0 means - even if you end up fine after getting the disease, you're going to transmit it to other people who may end up dying because of you. In other words, it's also your liberty vs other people's lives. Are you going to be the grandson who kills his grandma? Or the employee who kills the CEO? Or the Trump supporter who ends up helping elect Biden?

dependenttypes 7y ago
The grandma and the CEO can quarantine themselves at home if they so wish.
- sdkaufman 7y ago
  Older people cannot just wall themselves off from the rest of society. What if they live with or are cared for by other family members? How will they get health care for existing conditions? Hospitals have been shown to be a major vector for transmission [1]. And how do they even get to the hospital if they can't drive? What about grocery shopping over the next few months? The National Guard is stepping in to help deliver food in New Rochelle now. Can that scale to the entire nation? For how long? What if they live in a nursing home? Look what happened in the Seattle one [2]. [1] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761044 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761044 [2] https://www.foxnews.com/health/washington-state-nursing-home-sees-nearly-50-employees-test-positive-for-coronavirus https://www.foxnews.com/health/washington-state-nursing-home...
  - dependenttypes 7y ago
    > Hospitals have been shown to be a major vector for transmission Not sure how this is relevant to my post. > What if they live in a nursing home in close proximity to other elderly people? The nursing home could stock up and ban people from coming in or out of it.
    - sdkaufman 7y ago
      > Not sure how this is relevant to my post. Many older people cannot just stop getting medical care, and by doing so will be exposed to COVID-19. Especially because hospitals and clinics are overwhelmed by COVID-19 patients. > The nursing home could stock up and ban people from coming in or out of it. And all the nursing home staff will be locked inside and not leave for months? Where do they sleep / shower etc?None of the nursing home staff have families or children to care for?
syshum 7y ago
>>Are you going to be the grandson who kills his grandma? My grandparents are long long dead >>Or the employee who kills the CEO? Maybe the CEO should have thought about that and given his employees a work from home, or other policies to allow themselves to self quarantine. I also find it telling you talk about the employees giving it to the CEO and not the other way around... I am sure there is a Parable in there about unwashed masses >Or the Trump supporter who ends up helping elect Biden? Not a Trump supporter, but I do find it amusing you believe only Trump supporters support liberty, and only Biden supporters support authoritarianism Though I dont think anything will help Biden win, he less electable than Clinton was in 2016
- sdkaufman 7y ago
  > My grandparents are long long dead er...what are you trying to say? So other people's grandparents can go f* themselves? > I do find it amusing you believe only Trump supporters support liberty Nope, I mentioned Trump supporters because Trump was dragging his feet on cancelling his massive rallies [1]. Thankfully they've been cancelled now. [1] https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/11/21174945/biden-sanders-trump-canceling-rallies-coronavirus https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/11/21174945/b...

dependenttypes 7y ago

The grandma and the CEO can quarantine themselves at home if they so wish.

sdkaufman 7y ago
Older people cannot just wall themselves off from the rest of society. What if they live with or are cared for by other family members? How will they get health care for existing conditions? Hospitals have been shown to be a major vector for transmission [1]. And how do they even get to the hospital if they can't drive? What about grocery shopping over the next few months? The National Guard is stepping in to help deliver food in New Rochelle now. Can that scale to the entire nation? For how long? What if they live in a nursing home? Look what happened in the Seattle one [2]. [1] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761044 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761044 [2] https://www.foxnews.com/health/washington-state-nursing-home-sees-nearly-50-employees-test-positive-for-coronavirus https://www.foxnews.com/health/washington-state-nursing-home...
- dependenttypes 7y ago
  > Hospitals have been shown to be a major vector for transmission Not sure how this is relevant to my post. > What if they live in a nursing home in close proximity to other elderly people? The nursing home could stock up and ban people from coming in or out of it.
  - sdkaufman 7y ago
    > Not sure how this is relevant to my post. Many older people cannot just stop getting medical care, and by doing so will be exposed to COVID-19. Especially because hospitals and clinics are overwhelmed by COVID-19 patients. > The nursing home could stock up and ban people from coming in or out of it. And all the nursing home staff will be locked inside and not leave for months? Where do they sleep / shower etc?None of the nursing home staff have families or children to care for?

syshum 7y ago

>>Are you going to be the grandson who kills his grandma? My grandparents are long long dead >>Or the employee who kills the CEO? Maybe the CEO should have thought about that and given his employees a work from home, or other policies to allow themselves to self quarantine. I also find it telling you talk about the employees giving it to the CEO and not the other way around... I am sure there is a Parable in there about unwashed masses >Or the Trump supporter who ends up helping elect Biden? Not a Trump supporter, but I do find it amusing you believe only Trump supporters support liberty, and only Biden supporters support authoritarianism Though I dont think anything will help Biden win, he less electable than Clinton was in 2016

sdkaufman 7y ago
> My grandparents are long long dead er...what are you trying to say? So other people's grandparents can go f* themselves? > I do find it amusing you believe only Trump supporters support liberty Nope, I mentioned Trump supporters because Trump was dragging his feet on cancelling his massive rallies [1]. Thankfully they've been cancelled now. [1] https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/11/21174945/biden-sanders-trump-canceling-rallies-coronavirus https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/11/21174945/b...