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It's not about stopping the pandemic altogether - it's about reducing the number of people in critical condition at a given time. Italy it's already at peak cap

It's not about stopping the pandemic altogether - it's about reducing the number of people in critical condition at a given time. Italy it's already at peak capacity in it's ICUs, and only thorough social distancing it's possible to reduce the number of people at risk getting infected and clogging an health system that is already short on ventilators and hospital beds.

iso1631 7y ago
59 million people in Hubei province. 67,000 confirmed cases, 3000 deaths. Lets assume all cases were identified. 59 million did not get the disease. It kills 4%. A vaccine will take at least 18 months to develop. Can China keep Hubei locked down at the current rate for 18 months? Could we do that in the West? If the answer is no, what happens when we reduce the social distancing?
- masonic 7y ago
  A vaccine will take at least 18 months to develop. You can argue that a vaccine would take 18 months to test and deploy, but candidates already exist and are under trial. Moderna (MA, USA) shipped theirs three weeks ago, for one.
- IgorPartola 7y ago
  The idea is that you have say 1000 ICU spots available. Based on your numbers 4.5% of the cases are deadly, but let’s say 10% are severe-to-deadly and require two weeks of ICU care. So that’s 6,700 people or roughly 94,000 man-days of ICU time. In other words if you slow down the rate of infection enough you could fit that 94k into the 1k of beds over time. But if all of them get sick on day one, you are fucked. Social distancing is about slowing down the spread, not eradicating the disease. What will eradicate it one way or the other is the immune system or death: once you’ve had it you are unlikely to get reinfected or you will die. To avoid the latter case you need ICU time or eventually a vaccine. Also consider that buying a month of time means an extra month to provide more ICU beds, better testing capacity, better understanding of what is effective prevention, etc.
  - iso1631 7y ago
    > In other words if you slow down the rate of infection enough you could fit that 94k into the 1k of beds over time. But if all of them get sick on day one, you are fucked. Average ICU stay is about 2 weeks, so that's 3.6 years to filter everyone through.

iso1631 7y ago

59 million people in Hubei province. 67,000 confirmed cases, 3000 deaths. Lets assume all cases were identified. 59 million did not get the disease. It kills 4%. A vaccine will take at least 18 months to develop. Can China keep Hubei locked down at the current rate for 18 months? Could we do that in the West? If the answer is no, what happens when we reduce the social distancing?

masonic 7y ago
A vaccine will take at least 18 months to develop. You can argue that a vaccine would take 18 months to test and deploy, but candidates already exist and are under trial. Moderna (MA, USA) shipped theirs three weeks ago, for one.
IgorPartola 7y ago
The idea is that you have say 1000 ICU spots available. Based on your numbers 4.5% of the cases are deadly, but let’s say 10% are severe-to-deadly and require two weeks of ICU care. So that’s 6,700 people or roughly 94,000 man-days of ICU time. In other words if you slow down the rate of infection enough you could fit that 94k into the 1k of beds over time. But if all of them get sick on day one, you are fucked. Social distancing is about slowing down the spread, not eradicating the disease. What will eradicate it one way or the other is the immune system or death: once you’ve had it you are unlikely to get reinfected or you will die. To avoid the latter case you need ICU time or eventually a vaccine. Also consider that buying a month of time means an extra month to provide more ICU beds, better testing capacity, better understanding of what is effective prevention, etc.
- iso1631 7y ago
  > In other words if you slow down the rate of infection enough you could fit that 94k into the 1k of beds over time. But if all of them get sick on day one, you are fucked. Average ICU stay is about 2 weeks, so that's 3.6 years to filter everyone through.