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Can you point out to me the statement where Google denies working on the web tool?

by Jommi 7y ago

tryptophan 7y ago
A quick read of the article confirms that a google subsidiary IS MAKING A WEBSITE. Trump got all the details wrong as usual, but the main idea is true. That article just seems like its fishing for "trump bad" material.
- rovr138 7y ago
  Not a subsidiary of Google, a subsidiary of Alphabet.
  - cavisne 7y ago
    Why pretend there’s a difference?
    - zlsa 7y ago
      Because there is?
      - allannienhuis 7y ago
        it's not a difference that matters in this context.
        servusMachina 7y ago
        Seems like it doesn't matter simply due to your political bias.
        allannienhuis 7y ago
        You can invert that statement and it has just as much validity: "Seems like it matters simply due to your political bias"
        servusMachina 7y ago
        Absolutely, but only one of those statements is correct in this context.
  - outside1234 7y ago
    Nobody in the real world understands Alphabet - they just say Google.
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]
- ajross 7y ago
  Under the circumstances, shouldn't we demanding that the executive branch do a bit more than getting the main idea correct? Isn't it newsworthy when the president, in probably the single most important press event of his administration, got "all the details wrong as usual"? Isn't that... "bad"? So why is it "fishing" to report "Trump bad" in this context? This is bad. It's BAD. We have a clearly incompetent administration trying to coordinate the response to the worse disease outbreak in 102 years. And shouldn't the media be able to say that when it's true?
calebrob6 7y ago
Google Communications says here that Verily (a sister company to Google) is working on a small scale tool for the Bay area: https://twitter.com/Google_Comms/status/1238574670686928906 https://twitter.com/Google_Comms/status/1238574670686928906
- asdfasgasdgasdg 7y ago
  You: > for the Bay area Them (in the Tweet you linked to): > ... with the hope of expanding more broadly over time.
- Turing_Machine 7y ago
  Google Communications says here that "Google is partnering with the US Government in developing a nationwide website that includes information about COVID-19 symptoms, risk and testing information." https://twitter.com/Google_Comms/status/1238989460127338497 https://twitter.com/Google_Comms/status/1238989460127338497
  - zaroth 7y ago
    Will everyone who blasted Trump in this entire post apologize? Don’t hold your breathe.
    - jjeaff 7y ago
      If I could make a list of the people least deserving of an apology, Trump would be near the top.
      - jshevek 7y ago
        People with integrity apologize based on their own actions, not their opinions of the qualities of the other party. I apologise to douchebags regularly, if I'm wrong, though I'm very clear about the limitations of the apology.
      - zaroth 7y ago
        No, no not apologizing to Trump. Apologizing to HN readers for spreading the fake news even after Google themselves came out with a statement saying that they are in fact doing what Trump announced.
ajross 7y ago
Shouldn't the burden of proof go the other way around? You seem to be arguing that a product must exist unless the putative author denies it exists?
- gundmc 7y ago
  But Google themselves have said it exists: https://twitter.com/Google_Comms/status/1238989460127338497 https://twitter.com/Google_Comms/status/1238989460127338497
  - ajross 7y ago
    As has been pointed out ad nausum, what Google said was "Verily is in the early stages of development, and planning to roll testing out in the Bay Area, with the hope of expanding more broadly over time." which clearly does not match the product announced by the executive branch (i.e. it's not for everyone, there's no existing plan for rollout beyond the bay area). And pointing that messaging mixup out is part of the job of good journalists, because the public deserves to know what it's getting (i.e. if you're in Seattle or NY, Google has announced nothing for you but hope). And in particular because this administration has a terrible record with delivering a clear message. Yet some people insist that as long as there is some reasonably charitable reading of a statement that isn't an obvious lie, that somehow the messaging problem is the media's to solve?
    - gundmc 7y ago
      That may have been the case initially, but is clearly no longer true if you click through to the statement I linked. I'm not sure if Google was planning this prior to Trump's announcement or if it's reactionary, but the relevant portion is here: "Google is partnering with the US Government in developing a nationwide website that includes information about COVID-19 symptoms, risk and testing information. This is in addition to other measures we are taking, including:...Work being done by our sister company Verily to launch a pilot website that will enable individuals to do a risk assessment and be scheduled for testing at sites in the Bay Area..."

Can you point out to me the statement where Google denies working on the web tool?

by Jommi 7y ago

Can you point out to me the statement where Google denies working on the web tool?

A quick read of the article confirms that a google subsidiary IS MAKING A WEBSITE. Trump got all the details wrong as usual, but the main idea is true. That article just seems like its fishing for "trump bad" material.

rovr138 7y ago
Not a subsidiary of Google, a subsidiary of Alphabet.
- cavisne 7y ago
  Why pretend there’s a difference?
  - zlsa 7y ago
    Because there is?
    - allannienhuis 7y ago
      it's not a difference that matters in this context.
      - servusMachina 7y ago
        Seems like it doesn't matter simply due to your political bias.
        allannienhuis 7y ago
        You can invert that statement and it has just as much validity: "Seems like it matters simply due to your political bias"
        servusMachina 7y ago
        Absolutely, but only one of those statements is correct in this context.
- outside1234 7y ago
  Nobody in the real world understands Alphabet - they just say Google.
deleted 7y ago
[deleted]
ajross 7y ago
Under the circumstances, shouldn't we demanding that the executive branch do a bit more than getting the main idea correct? Isn't it newsworthy when the president, in probably the single most important press event of his administration, got "all the details wrong as usual"? Isn't that... "bad"? So why is it "fishing" to report "Trump bad" in this context? This is bad. It's BAD. We have a clearly incompetent administration trying to coordinate the response to the worse disease outbreak in 102 years. And shouldn't the media be able to say that when it's true?

calebrob6 7y ago

Google Communications says here that Verily (a sister company to Google) is working on a small scale tool for the Bay area: https://twitter.com/Google_Comms/status/1238574670686928906 https://twitter.com/Google_Comms/status/1238574670686928906

asdfasgasdgasdg 7y ago
You: > for the Bay area Them (in the Tweet you linked to): > ... with the hope of expanding more broadly over time.
Turing_Machine 7y ago
Google Communications says here that "Google is partnering with the US Government in developing a nationwide website that includes information about COVID-19 symptoms, risk and testing information." https://twitter.com/Google_Comms/status/1238989460127338497 https://twitter.com/Google_Comms/status/1238989460127338497
- zaroth 7y ago
  Will everyone who blasted Trump in this entire post apologize? Don’t hold your breathe.
  - jjeaff 7y ago
    If I could make a list of the people least deserving of an apology, Trump would be near the top.
    - jshevek 7y ago
      People with integrity apologize based on their own actions, not their opinions of the qualities of the other party. I apologise to douchebags regularly, if I'm wrong, though I'm very clear about the limitations of the apology.
    - zaroth 7y ago
      No, no not apologizing to Trump. Apologizing to HN readers for spreading the fake news even after Google themselves came out with a statement saying that they are in fact doing what Trump announced.

ajross 7y ago

Shouldn't the burden of proof go the other way around? You seem to be arguing that a product must exist unless the putative author denies it exists?

gundmc 7y ago
But Google themselves have said it exists: https://twitter.com/Google_Comms/status/1238989460127338497 https://twitter.com/Google_Comms/status/1238989460127338497
- ajross 7y ago
  As has been pointed out ad nausum, what Google said was "Verily is in the early stages of development, and planning to roll testing out in the Bay Area, with the hope of expanding more broadly over time." which clearly does not match the product announced by the executive branch (i.e. it's not for everyone, there's no existing plan for rollout beyond the bay area). And pointing that messaging mixup out is part of the job of good journalists, because the public deserves to know what it's getting (i.e. if you're in Seattle or NY, Google has announced nothing for you but hope). And in particular because this administration has a terrible record with delivering a clear message. Yet some people insist that as long as there is some reasonably charitable reading of a statement that isn't an obvious lie, that somehow the messaging problem is the media's to solve?
  - gundmc 7y ago
    That may have been the case initially, but is clearly no longer true if you click through to the statement I linked. I'm not sure if Google was planning this prior to Trump's announcement or if it's reactionary, but the relevant portion is here: "Google is partnering with the US Government in developing a nationwide website that includes information about COVID-19 symptoms, risk and testing information. This is in addition to other measures we are taking, including:...Work being done by our sister company Verily to launch a pilot website that will enable individuals to do a risk assessment and be scheduled for testing at sites in the Bay Area..."