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(warning: conspiracy theory, but at least an original one) I'm thinking this only makes sense in the context of Brexit. Brexit will be a massive hit to the com

(warning: conspiracy theory, but at least an original one) I'm thinking this only makes sense in the context of Brexit. Brexit will be a massive hit to the competitiveness of British businesses... somebody in government is hoping to counteract this by taking an approach different to the rest of Europe. If the UK's approach works, it will end up economically ahead of all the other European countries, something like the US post-WWII (but to a lesser extent).

colin_fraizer 7y ago
Conspiracy theory from an opposite point-of-view: killing off a bunch of elderly people with this experiment will save the NHS a fortune.
lallysingh 7y ago
.. fewer elderly to take care of?
- mirimir 7y ago
  Although I'm personally offended, being unimaginably (for me) old, this does make some sense. After all, many countries have been angsty about demographic inversion. And SARS-CoV-2 could resolve that within a decade or less.
  - lallysingh 7y ago
    Apologies for the offense, but I was being serious for the reason you mentioned.
    - mirimir 7y ago
      NP. I was mostly joking about the offended part :)
  - devnullbyte 7y ago
    The other interesting factor is how it will impact Gerontocracy which is the norm for most eastern and western governments alike. We see this playing out in in Iran.
iateanapple 7y ago
> I'm thinking this only makes sense in the context of Brexit. Brexit will be a massive hit to the competitiveness of British businesses Bad theory. This virus could have been used as an excuse to lock down borders while the rest of Europe got economically destroyed by the virus.
- dathinab 7y ago
  No it already spread to the UK so it was to listen for that
tenpies 7y ago
Counter-point: is Brexit Britain actually going to be worst off than post-pandemic EU or what's left of the EU? I don't think the risk of this pandemic approach is worthwhile, especially given how poorly the EU is doing in general. Terrible economy, catastrophic pandemic response, and the symbolism of countries closing borders on fellow EU states are all quite telling. By contrast Britain almost seems like it dodged a bullet - although they seem to have jumped in front of a train instead with their pandemic gamble.
- brrrrr1 7y ago
  the uk is bust - germany is injecting 600 billion in the economy, while the uk a mere 30. the uk NEEDS people to work so they keep the country afloat.
  - iateanapple 7y ago
    The UK can raise as much cash as Germany so it is a choice they are making.
- radicalbyte 7y ago
  Only the EU economy has been doing pretty well - much better than the UK has been. I think that their strategy is more smoke and mirrors - they're looking for the massive uproar so that the public understands that what we're facing is the real deal and will accept the harsh restrictions to freedom better once they have to be made. The damage caused by an extra day or two of waiting will be small in comparison to the benefits of good compliance. Plus don't forget that it's the weekend. No schools. The schools won't be open on Monday. Dominic Cummings and his team are sharp and extremely good at manipulating the exact group of unthinking idiots who would otherwise ignore curfews and restrictions.. I should also add: all of the other Western countries are doing the same thing, UK included. Do whatever is possible to keep the health system working until. Eventually you get herd immunity either via people getting it or a vaccination.
- devnullbyte 7y ago
  Britain reminds me of the drunk guy who falls down a flight of stairs and then rolls back onto their feet unharmed.
wtvanhest 7y ago
That seems like the exact gamble. IMO, the US has taken the right approach. Keep things going until it starts to replicate in the community, then get aggressive before the hospitals are overrun. Some communities will have too many cases, but most will hopefully be ok. And we will have a first step of Hurd immunity, concentrated on people most likely to transmit later like package delivery, restaurant workers, drivers etc. The US should have had testing procedure set up early to relieve stress for citizens.
- RealityVoid 7y ago
  > Keep things going until it starts to replicate in the community, then get aggressive before the hospitals are overrun. How is that not a bad strategy? By this point the disease will have some sort of transmission inertia, so establishing containment just before hospitals are overrun pretty much guarantees they will be overrun.
  - wtvanhest 7y ago
    We won’t know for 2 weeks. If the hospitals are overrun, that is a massive policy problem. If they aren’t, it’s a massive policy success. Math was known and the results fall on our politicians
- tim333 7y ago
  The US approach has been awful. Things are running completely out of control. The "aggressive before the hospitals are overrun" thing won't work. Herd immunity means something like 60% of the population get it and maybe 1.3 million Americans die ghastly deaths.
thefounder 7y ago
Yeah, it will make Britain Great Again as it gets rid of the old population and increases its competitiveness. It almost feels natural that after getting rid of the migrants it's time to get rid of some less desired locals as well.
- justinclift 7y ago
  In a very dark-humour fashion, it sounds like this would change the balance of brexiters-vs-remainers fairly drastically too. No longer ~50/50. ;)
brrrrr1 7y ago
may be a conspiracy theory, but as the uk gov is injecting only 30 bil in the economy while germany is injecting 600 billion shows the uk is financially in a weak position. if the country stops working the economy is bust. the uk _needs_ to be ahead of europe to stay afloat, so that these measures as a state of war, in which economic sovereignty can be lost unless some people die on the battle front.
- Jabbles 7y ago
  You're confusing two different measures. The UK government has increased spending by £30B, £12B to be spent on tackling COVID 19. The Bank of England has suggested lending £190B to businesses in need. The roughly equivalent numbers appear to be 12B and 600B (Euros) for Germany. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/mar/11/budget-2020-rishi-sunak-spending-coronavirus https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/mar/11/budget-2020-... https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/news/2020/march/boe-measures-to-respond-to-the-economic-shock-from-covid-19 https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/news/2020/march/boe-measures... https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/coronavirus-germany-economic-measures-covid-19-crisis-12517624 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/coronavirus-germa... https://www.pionline.com/markets/germany-lines-600-billion-virus-aid-eu-backs-stimulus https://www.pionline.com/markets/germany-lines-600-billion-v...
  - brrrrr1 7y ago
    thanks for the clarification, still a pretty small number considering. all i am saying is these numbers might explain the logic behind going against all scientific advice.
eli_gottlieb 7y ago
I don't think killing a larger portion of Britons than of Continental Europeans is going to be good for the British economy.
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- devnullbyte 7y ago
  That's ignoring intent they expressed to implement very long isolation measures for the elderly. Thier approach might be flawed, but let's debate it based on what has actually been stated.
  - eli_gottlieb 7y ago
    They can intend what they please, but the facts show that you can't save the elderly without quarantining and social distancing of the non-elderly. "Stiff upper lip" is such a caricature of Britishness that I wonder if Johnson is doing it as a piece of patriotic method-acting. It is not a medically sensible method to fight COVID-19.

colin_fraizer 7y ago

Conspiracy theory from an opposite point-of-view: killing off a bunch of elderly people with this experiment will save the NHS a fortune.

lallysingh 7y ago

.. fewer elderly to take care of?

mirimir 7y ago
Although I'm personally offended, being unimaginably (for me) old, this does make some sense. After all, many countries have been angsty about demographic inversion. And SARS-CoV-2 could resolve that within a decade or less.
- lallysingh 7y ago
  Apologies for the offense, but I was being serious for the reason you mentioned.
  - mirimir 7y ago
    NP. I was mostly joking about the offended part :)
- devnullbyte 7y ago
  The other interesting factor is how it will impact Gerontocracy which is the norm for most eastern and western governments alike. We see this playing out in in Iran.

iateanapple 7y ago

> I'm thinking this only makes sense in the context of Brexit. Brexit will be a massive hit to the competitiveness of British businesses Bad theory. This virus could have been used as an excuse to lock down borders while the rest of Europe got economically destroyed by the virus.

dathinab 7y ago
No it already spread to the UK so it was to listen for that

tenpies 7y ago

Counter-point: is Brexit Britain actually going to be worst off than post-pandemic EU or what's left of the EU? I don't think the risk of this pandemic approach is worthwhile, especially given how poorly the EU is doing in general. Terrible economy, catastrophic pandemic response, and the symbolism of countries closing borders on fellow EU states are all quite telling. By contrast Britain almost seems like it dodged a bullet - although they seem to have jumped in front of a train instead with their pandemic gamble.

brrrrr1 7y ago
the uk is bust - germany is injecting 600 billion in the economy, while the uk a mere 30. the uk NEEDS people to work so they keep the country afloat.
- iateanapple 7y ago
  The UK can raise as much cash as Germany so it is a choice they are making.
radicalbyte 7y ago
Only the EU economy has been doing pretty well - much better than the UK has been. I think that their strategy is more smoke and mirrors - they're looking for the massive uproar so that the public understands that what we're facing is the real deal and will accept the harsh restrictions to freedom better once they have to be made. The damage caused by an extra day or two of waiting will be small in comparison to the benefits of good compliance. Plus don't forget that it's the weekend. No schools. The schools won't be open on Monday. Dominic Cummings and his team are sharp and extremely good at manipulating the exact group of unthinking idiots who would otherwise ignore curfews and restrictions.. I should also add: all of the other Western countries are doing the same thing, UK included. Do whatever is possible to keep the health system working until. Eventually you get herd immunity either via people getting it or a vaccination.
devnullbyte 7y ago
Britain reminds me of the drunk guy who falls down a flight of stairs and then rolls back onto their feet unharmed.

wtvanhest 7y ago

That seems like the exact gamble. IMO, the US has taken the right approach. Keep things going until it starts to replicate in the community, then get aggressive before the hospitals are overrun. Some communities will have too many cases, but most will hopefully be ok. And we will have a first step of Hurd immunity, concentrated on people most likely to transmit later like package delivery, restaurant workers, drivers etc. The US should have had testing procedure set up early to relieve stress for citizens.

RealityVoid 7y ago
> Keep things going until it starts to replicate in the community, then get aggressive before the hospitals are overrun. How is that not a bad strategy? By this point the disease will have some sort of transmission inertia, so establishing containment just before hospitals are overrun pretty much guarantees they will be overrun.
- wtvanhest 7y ago
  We won’t know for 2 weeks. If the hospitals are overrun, that is a massive policy problem. If they aren’t, it’s a massive policy success. Math was known and the results fall on our politicians
tim333 7y ago
The US approach has been awful. Things are running completely out of control. The "aggressive before the hospitals are overrun" thing won't work. Herd immunity means something like 60% of the population get it and maybe 1.3 million Americans die ghastly deaths.

thefounder 7y ago

Yeah, it will make Britain Great Again as it gets rid of the old population and increases its competitiveness. It almost feels natural that after getting rid of the migrants it's time to get rid of some less desired locals as well.

justinclift 7y ago
In a very dark-humour fashion, it sounds like this would change the balance of brexiters-vs-remainers fairly drastically too. No longer ~50/50. ;)

brrrrr1 7y ago

may be a conspiracy theory, but as the uk gov is injecting only 30 bil in the economy while germany is injecting 600 billion shows the uk is financially in a weak position. if the country stops working the economy is bust. the uk _needs_ to be ahead of europe to stay afloat, so that these measures as a state of war, in which economic sovereignty can be lost unless some people die on the battle front.

Jabbles 7y ago
You're confusing two different measures. The UK government has increased spending by £30B, £12B to be spent on tackling COVID 19. The Bank of England has suggested lending £190B to businesses in need. The roughly equivalent numbers appear to be 12B and 600B (Euros) for Germany. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/mar/11/budget-2020-rishi-sunak-spending-coronavirus https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/mar/11/budget-2020-... https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/news/2020/march/boe-measures-to-respond-to-the-economic-shock-from-covid-19 https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/news/2020/march/boe-measures... https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/coronavirus-germany-economic-measures-covid-19-crisis-12517624 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/coronavirus-germa... https://www.pionline.com/markets/germany-lines-600-billion-virus-aid-eu-backs-stimulus https://www.pionline.com/markets/germany-lines-600-billion-v...
- brrrrr1 7y ago
  thanks for the clarification, still a pretty small number considering. all i am saying is these numbers might explain the logic behind going against all scientific advice.

eli_gottlieb 7y ago

I don't think killing a larger portion of Britons than of Continental Europeans is going to be good for the British economy.

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devnullbyte 7y ago
That's ignoring intent they expressed to implement very long isolation measures for the elderly. Thier approach might be flawed, but let's debate it based on what has actually been stated.
- eli_gottlieb 7y ago
  They can intend what they please, but the facts show that you can't save the elderly without quarantining and social distancing of the non-elderly. "Stiff upper lip" is such a caricature of Britishness that I wonder if Johnson is doing it as a piece of patriotic method-acting. It is not a medically sensible method to fight COVID-19.