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>Literally any exasperated parent who has to deal with little children having a tantrum because they can't get what they want. >Yes, that sounds harsh, but it'

>Literally any exasperated parent who has to deal with little children having a tantrum because they can't get what they want. >Yes, that sounds harsh, but it's exactly how this works. Your statement is simply saying that society - you, me and everyone - should obediently and without criticizing enable those who can't cater to their own emotional needs; those who don't know how to deal with their own drive towards self-gratification; those who haven't learned to not indulge in their own irrational fears. So other people should do what you want, not what they want, because you know better than them? How would you feel if people compared you to "little children having a tantrum" just because your values differed from theirs? >That's why your comment is not constructive nor even remotely funny. Having so little respect for other human beings that you compare them to little children is not constructive foundation upon which to base policy making.

monadic2 7y ago
> How would you feel if people compared you to "little children having a tantrum" just because your values differed from theirs? If one of those values is “society holds together during a crisis”, it’s a better value and I would feel deeply secure about my criticism. What is the value of individual, civil rights (as opposed to social rights, like not being unnecessarily infected or starved through artificially manipulated markets) during a crisis like this?
- CaptArmchair 7y ago
  I highly value my individual and civil rights, such as they are. Yet, I am prepared to temporarily relinquish a part of them if that helps overcome a clear and present existential threat to society as a whole. Yes, I feel deeply secure about my criticisms thus far.
salawat 7y ago
>Having so little respect for other human beings that you compare them to little children is not constructive foundation upon which to base policy making. You seem to be opposed to policy making at all. So what's your point? Furthermore, reasoning from past experience and generalizing the approach to a population is at it's essence what cultures do. >So other people should do what you want, not what they want, because you know better than them? How would you feel if people compared you to "little children having a tantrum" just because your values differed from theirs? How one feels is unfortunately somewhat irrelevant in the face of an existential systemic crisis. Learning and internalizing this is part of becoming an adult, or managing any social unit larger than oneself. That the train is barreling down the tracks at you does not change just because you feel inconvenienced. You and everyone else in your community are on the tracks, and need to organize to get everyone safely off in the time you have left. Part of that may be coming to terms with the fact that not everyone can get what they want (getting off the track right now) if the means of doing so is constrained. By all means though, if you wish to give the finger to your society that's actually trying to do the best it can for everyone; go ahead. Just don't be surprised if it turns out that the fact you did makes life difficult for you down the road.

monadic2 7y ago

> How would you feel if people compared you to "little children having a tantrum" just because your values differed from theirs? If one of those values is “society holds together during a crisis”, it’s a better value and I would feel deeply secure about my criticism. What is the value of individual, civil rights (as opposed to social rights, like not being unnecessarily infected or starved through artificially manipulated markets) during a crisis like this?

CaptArmchair 7y ago
I highly value my individual and civil rights, such as they are. Yet, I am prepared to temporarily relinquish a part of them if that helps overcome a clear and present existential threat to society as a whole. Yes, I feel deeply secure about my criticisms thus far.

salawat 7y ago

>Having so little respect for other human beings that you compare them to little children is not constructive foundation upon which to base policy making. You seem to be opposed to policy making at all. So what's your point? Furthermore, reasoning from past experience and generalizing the approach to a population is at it's essence what cultures do. >So other people should do what you want, not what they want, because you know better than them? How would you feel if people compared you to "little children having a tantrum" just because your values differed from theirs? How one feels is unfortunately somewhat irrelevant in the face of an existential systemic crisis. Learning and internalizing this is part of becoming an adult, or managing any social unit larger than oneself. That the train is barreling down the tracks at you does not change just because you feel inconvenienced. You and everyone else in your community are on the tracks, and need to organize to get everyone safely off in the time you have left. Part of that may be coming to terms with the fact that not everyone can get what they want (getting off the track right now) if the means of doing so is constrained. By all means though, if you wish to give the finger to your society that's actually trying to do the best it can for everyone; go ahead. Just don't be surprised if it turns out that the fact you did makes life difficult for you down the road.