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"No, you can't have more pie. You have had enough already." Literally any exasperated parent who has to deal with little children having a tantrum because they

"No, you can't have more pie. You have had enough already." Literally any exasperated parent who has to deal with little children having a tantrum because they can't get what they want. Yes, that sounds harsh, but it's exactly how this works. Your statement is simply saying that society - you, me and everyone - should obediently and without criticizing enable those who can't cater to their own emotional needs; those who don't know how to deal with their own drive towards self-gratification; those who haven't learned to not indulge in their own irrational fears. People don't need toilet paper, they need to talk and understand that hoarding is a dysfunctional way of approaching their own fears about the future. And that hoarding - ultimately - is a self fulfilling prophecy as it puts unnecessary pressure on supply chains and creates even more unrest and fear. That's why your comment is not constructive nor even remotely funny.

logicchains 7y ago
>Literally any exasperated parent who has to deal with little children having a tantrum because they can't get what they want. >Yes, that sounds harsh, but it's exactly how this works. Your statement is simply saying that society - you, me and everyone - should obediently and without criticizing enable those who can't cater to their own emotional needs; those who don't know how to deal with their own drive towards self-gratification; those who haven't learned to not indulge in their own irrational fears. So other people should do what you want, not what they want, because you know better than them? How would you feel if people compared you to "little children having a tantrum" just because your values differed from theirs? >That's why your comment is not constructive nor even remotely funny. Having so little respect for other human beings that you compare them to little children is not constructive foundation upon which to base policy making.
- monadic2 7y ago
  > How would you feel if people compared you to "little children having a tantrum" just because your values differed from theirs? If one of those values is “society holds together during a crisis”, it’s a better value and I would feel deeply secure about my criticism. What is the value of individual, civil rights (as opposed to social rights, like not being unnecessarily infected or starved through artificially manipulated markets) during a crisis like this?
  - CaptArmchair 7y ago
    I highly value my individual and civil rights, such as they are. Yet, I am prepared to temporarily relinquish a part of them if that helps overcome a clear and present existential threat to society as a whole. Yes, I feel deeply secure about my criticisms thus far.
- salawat 7y ago
  >Having so little respect for other human beings that you compare them to little children is not constructive foundation upon which to base policy making. You seem to be opposed to policy making at all. So what's your point? Furthermore, reasoning from past experience and generalizing the approach to a population is at it's essence what cultures do. >So other people should do what you want, not what they want, because you know better than them? How would you feel if people compared you to "little children having a tantrum" just because your values differed from theirs? How one feels is unfortunately somewhat irrelevant in the face of an existential systemic crisis. Learning and internalizing this is part of becoming an adult, or managing any social unit larger than oneself. That the train is barreling down the tracks at you does not change just because you feel inconvenienced. You and everyone else in your community are on the tracks, and need to organize to get everyone safely off in the time you have left. Part of that may be coming to terms with the fact that not everyone can get what they want (getting off the track right now) if the means of doing so is constrained. By all means though, if you wish to give the finger to your society that's actually trying to do the best it can for everyone; go ahead. Just don't be surprised if it turns out that the fact you did makes life difficult for you down the road.
devcpp 7y ago
So the State is your mom now? Have as much toilet paper as you want, we can make more. Have fun paying stupid prices.
- CaptArmchair 7y ago
  Well, neither you nor I are particularly "special". the State doesn't care about my or your individual feelings. The State puts sustaining the existence of the collective first. And it will do so at the expense of your and my freedom and comfort if necessary. 5.000$ is pretty tame compared to penalties issued by a wartime governments of the past. I support a State that cares about the general well-being of its citizens and is prepared to that takes stern measures now in hopes of safeguarding our individual freedoms in the future. As such, I harbor little empathy for the individualistic tendencies of those who hoard supplies in times of crisis. All they end up accomplishing down the road is excluding themselves outside of civil society.
- kevingadd 7y ago
  If you've been paying much attention to how the populace is behaving you'd realize that the State is collectively our mom right now because people keep gathering in massive groups, showing up to work sick, touching their faces, and not washing their hands. Meanwhile employers insist that people show up to work sick and refuse to offer sick leave. If left to their own devices the populace of this country would all succumb to plague. Who or what caused this situation is of course a matter of debate, as is the effectiveness of government response. In my country the response is pretty inept, but you can't exactly claim the free market would have solved it - it explicitly has not and people from industry have admitted as much.

logicchains 7y ago

>Literally any exasperated parent who has to deal with little children having a tantrum because they can't get what they want. >Yes, that sounds harsh, but it's exactly how this works. Your statement is simply saying that society - you, me and everyone - should obediently and without criticizing enable those who can't cater to their own emotional needs; those who don't know how to deal with their own drive towards self-gratification; those who haven't learned to not indulge in their own irrational fears. So other people should do what you want, not what they want, because you know better than them? How would you feel if people compared you to "little children having a tantrum" just because your values differed from theirs? >That's why your comment is not constructive nor even remotely funny. Having so little respect for other human beings that you compare them to little children is not constructive foundation upon which to base policy making.

monadic2 7y ago
> How would you feel if people compared you to "little children having a tantrum" just because your values differed from theirs? If one of those values is “society holds together during a crisis”, it’s a better value and I would feel deeply secure about my criticism. What is the value of individual, civil rights (as opposed to social rights, like not being unnecessarily infected or starved through artificially manipulated markets) during a crisis like this?
- CaptArmchair 7y ago
  I highly value my individual and civil rights, such as they are. Yet, I am prepared to temporarily relinquish a part of them if that helps overcome a clear and present existential threat to society as a whole. Yes, I feel deeply secure about my criticisms thus far.
salawat 7y ago
>Having so little respect for other human beings that you compare them to little children is not constructive foundation upon which to base policy making. You seem to be opposed to policy making at all. So what's your point? Furthermore, reasoning from past experience and generalizing the approach to a population is at it's essence what cultures do. >So other people should do what you want, not what they want, because you know better than them? How would you feel if people compared you to "little children having a tantrum" just because your values differed from theirs? How one feels is unfortunately somewhat irrelevant in the face of an existential systemic crisis. Learning and internalizing this is part of becoming an adult, or managing any social unit larger than oneself. That the train is barreling down the tracks at you does not change just because you feel inconvenienced. You and everyone else in your community are on the tracks, and need to organize to get everyone safely off in the time you have left. Part of that may be coming to terms with the fact that not everyone can get what they want (getting off the track right now) if the means of doing so is constrained. By all means though, if you wish to give the finger to your society that's actually trying to do the best it can for everyone; go ahead. Just don't be surprised if it turns out that the fact you did makes life difficult for you down the road.

devcpp 7y ago

So the State is your mom now? Have as much toilet paper as you want, we can make more. Have fun paying stupid prices.

CaptArmchair 7y ago
Well, neither you nor I are particularly "special". the State doesn't care about my or your individual feelings. The State puts sustaining the existence of the collective first. And it will do so at the expense of your and my freedom and comfort if necessary. 5.000$ is pretty tame compared to penalties issued by a wartime governments of the past. I support a State that cares about the general well-being of its citizens and is prepared to that takes stern measures now in hopes of safeguarding our individual freedoms in the future. As such, I harbor little empathy for the individualistic tendencies of those who hoard supplies in times of crisis. All they end up accomplishing down the road is excluding themselves outside of civil society.
kevingadd 7y ago
If you've been paying much attention to how the populace is behaving you'd realize that the State is collectively our mom right now because people keep gathering in massive groups, showing up to work sick, touching their faces, and not washing their hands. Meanwhile employers insist that people show up to work sick and refuse to offer sick leave. If left to their own devices the populace of this country would all succumb to plague. Who or what caused this situation is of course a matter of debate, as is the effectiveness of government response. In my country the response is pretty inept, but you can't exactly claim the free market would have solved it - it explicitly has not and people from industry have admitted as much.