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>Perhaps the law we need is one to control hoarding behavior or the rate of change. Aside from an authoritarian system of governance where all purchases are tr

by syshum 7y ago

>Perhaps the law we need is one to control hoarding behavior or the rate of change. Aside from an authoritarian system of governance where all purchases are tracked, and one must only purchase their "allotted" amount of goods, how exactly would one control hoarding? i hope you are not proposing such a dystopian future.

XorNot 7y ago
By the exact mechanism in the article above, penalizing price-gouging?
- syshum 7y ago
  That does not prevent hoarding The idea that people are hoarding right now simply because they want to resell the goods to others is moronic on many levels People are hoarding right now because they believe they may be months with out a supply of the good, so they are buying in multiples of normal levels fully expecting they will use it themselves, not reselling
  - XorNot 7y ago
    Well then good news, because it turns out you don't need an authoritarian government, just your local supermarket chain to decide that they'd prefer to retain their existing customer base: 1. https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/fiag4b/handing_out_toilet_paper_at_coles_in_an_orderly/ https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/fiag4b/handing_o... 2. https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/fiajl0/props_to_this_costco_for_safely_and_efficiently/ https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/fiajl0/props_to_this_...
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CaptArmchair 7y ago
I suggest you google "rationing" because that's exactly what happened in during World War II. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationing_in_the_United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationing_in_the_United_Kingdo... Not just in the U.K., rationing was also introduced in the United States during wartime: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationing_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationing_in_the_United_States
- syshum 7y ago
  I fully understand rationing, rationing is something done by Authoritarian governments, including the US and the UK... So it seems you are infact proposing authoritarianism as a solution to the problem Give up freedom for safety... wonderful. I see alot of that right now it is very sad
  - EdgarVerona 7y ago
    Just to make sure I understand your ideology: so you're saying the rationing that happened during World War II was a mistake?
    - salawat 7y ago
      I think shysum is making the case that the magnitude of threat represented by the pandemic != the same magnitude of that represented by WWII. Thereby seemingly endorsing that rationing now is unjustified. I don't buy into it necessarily; temporary rationing seems an appropriate response so long as it is guaranteed to be temporary. I can sympathize with his concern of embracing authoritarianism in exchange for safety; I do abhor the practice, but in this environment, rationing is by far the least intrusive measure in ensuring the widest swath of people maintain access to a minimum reasonable level of supplies. If people want more, let them negotiate with the manufacturer for additional output after existing orders have been met. A self-imposed limit per customer enforced by retailers should be sufficient. No need to start getting the government into the business of looking for hoarders.
      - syshum 7y ago
        >>A self-imposed limit per customer enforced by retailers should be sufficient. That is NOT what people are calling for in this thread, I am fine with that People are calling for Government imposed rationing and price controls
    - syshum 7y ago
      Mainly the price controls were the bigger mistake that lead to all kinds of problems still impacting the world today, in the US it lead directly the the formation of "Comprehensive" pay to include things like Health Insurance, and other non-wage compensations. This was very much a net negative for society (and the health system)
robomartin 7y ago
> i hope you are not proposing such a dystopian future. I am not. I don’t know how one might implement something like this or if it is even possible. Not an easy problem.
6gvONxR4sf7o 7y ago
I saw a post on reddit where a costco was only letting you buy one (giant) case of TP per purchase. https://i.imgur.com/m0Efz3E.gifv https://i.imgur.com/m0Efz3E.gifv There are obvious ways to cheat it, but it still means more people end up with TP. You don't have to go full police state to make the distribution of goods more even.
- syshum 7y ago
  But that voluntary action by individuals, in the context of our discussion here we are talking about laws and government regulation, not voluntary actions by business. It is perfectly fine for a business to choose to only sell 1 package per customer It is not fine for government to mandate a business only sell 1 package per customer. This was my entire point, people here are advocating for GOVERNMENT action when none is needed
  - 6gvONxR4sf7o 7y ago
    I'm fine with the government limiting the number of packages per sale. No tracking required.

by syshum 7y ago

XorNot 7y ago

By the exact mechanism in the article above, penalizing price-gouging?

syshum 7y ago
That does not prevent hoarding The idea that people are hoarding right now simply because they want to resell the goods to others is moronic on many levels People are hoarding right now because they believe they may be months with out a supply of the good, so they are buying in multiples of normal levels fully expecting they will use it themselves, not reselling
- XorNot 7y ago
  Well then good news, because it turns out you don't need an authoritarian government, just your local supermarket chain to decide that they'd prefer to retain their existing customer base: 1. https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/fiag4b/handing_out_toilet_paper_at_coles_in_an_orderly/ https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/fiag4b/handing_o... 2. https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/fiajl0/props_to_this_costco_for_safely_and_efficiently/ https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/fiajl0/props_to_this_...
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CaptArmchair 7y ago

I suggest you google "rationing" because that's exactly what happened in during World War II. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationing_in_the_United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationing_in_the_United_Kingdo... Not just in the U.K., rationing was also introduced in the United States during wartime: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationing_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationing_in_the_United_States

syshum 7y ago
I fully understand rationing, rationing is something done by Authoritarian governments, including the US and the UK... So it seems you are infact proposing authoritarianism as a solution to the problem Give up freedom for safety... wonderful. I see alot of that right now it is very sad
- EdgarVerona 7y ago
  Just to make sure I understand your ideology: so you're saying the rationing that happened during World War II was a mistake?
  - salawat 7y ago
    I think shysum is making the case that the magnitude of threat represented by the pandemic != the same magnitude of that represented by WWII. Thereby seemingly endorsing that rationing now is unjustified. I don't buy into it necessarily; temporary rationing seems an appropriate response so long as it is guaranteed to be temporary. I can sympathize with his concern of embracing authoritarianism in exchange for safety; I do abhor the practice, but in this environment, rationing is by far the least intrusive measure in ensuring the widest swath of people maintain access to a minimum reasonable level of supplies. If people want more, let them negotiate with the manufacturer for additional output after existing orders have been met. A self-imposed limit per customer enforced by retailers should be sufficient. No need to start getting the government into the business of looking for hoarders.
    - syshum 7y ago
      >>A self-imposed limit per customer enforced by retailers should be sufficient. That is NOT what people are calling for in this thread, I am fine with that People are calling for Government imposed rationing and price controls
  - syshum 7y ago
    Mainly the price controls were the bigger mistake that lead to all kinds of problems still impacting the world today, in the US it lead directly the the formation of "Comprehensive" pay to include things like Health Insurance, and other non-wage compensations. This was very much a net negative for society (and the health system)

robomartin 7y ago

> i hope you are not proposing such a dystopian future. I am not. I don’t know how one might implement something like this or if it is even possible. Not an easy problem.

6gvONxR4sf7o 7y ago

I saw a post on reddit where a costco was only letting you buy one (giant) case of TP per purchase. https://i.imgur.com/m0Efz3E.gifv https://i.imgur.com/m0Efz3E.gifv There are obvious ways to cheat it, but it still means more people end up with TP. You don't have to go full police state to make the distribution of goods more even.

syshum 7y ago
But that voluntary action by individuals, in the context of our discussion here we are talking about laws and government regulation, not voluntary actions by business. It is perfectly fine for a business to choose to only sell 1 package per customer It is not fine for government to mandate a business only sell 1 package per customer. This was my entire point, people here are advocating for GOVERNMENT action when none is needed
- 6gvONxR4sf7o 7y ago
  I'm fine with the government limiting the number of packages per sale. No tracking required.