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Does anyone know how the go world has been evolving since AlphaGo? I wonder if people are looking for weaknesses or perhaps just ways to contribute, so that a

Does anyone know how the go world has been evolving since AlphaGo? I wonder if people are looking for weaknesses or perhaps just ways to contribute, so that a human + AI could beat an AI playing alone.

roenxi 7y ago
Openings have standardised around the patterns that the AI systems have converged on, and people are practicing against neural networks/using neural networks to review their games. That is probably increasing the standard of play but it is difficult to measure.
- arvinsim 7y ago
  Even though I am not a Go player, it is concerning. This because now money comes into play rather than just raw skill. Picture a brilliant but poor player. How would that person fare against someone who has a good AI to practice against?
  - ALittleLight 7y ago
    Picture a brilliant but poor person who doesn't have the time to dedicate to the game because they must deal with the constraints of being poor. Buying high end computer hardware is very cheap relative to the time required to become very good at go. Conversely, having a reasonably strong go program available on your mobile will mean there's more access to people to play and get analysis. I would expect that AI makes it better for poor people. Previously, a non-poor person might take classes or have a tutor. Now, a poor person can have an AI analysis of each of their games if they want.
blueboo 7y ago
Human+AI play was forecasted to be the next big thing, but has proven to be a mere curiosity. After all, imagine a sitting down next to a grandmaster who helps you play your moves. Every move comes down to: Do you want to play the best move? y/N Indeed, the moves that a human would've overruled in the Lee Sedol tournament are the ones that vaulted AlphaGo to victory.
- akvadrako 7y ago
  Move 97 of game 4 didn't seem to help AlphaGo and a human certainly would have vetoed it.
  - bernds74 7y ago
    Even more recently, Lee Sedol managed to beat another AI where a human would have vetoed the computer move. Lee is the real world's John Connor, the only man able to beat the machines.

roenxi 7y ago

Openings have standardised around the patterns that the AI systems have converged on, and people are practicing against neural networks/using neural networks to review their games. That is probably increasing the standard of play but it is difficult to measure.

arvinsim 7y ago
Even though I am not a Go player, it is concerning. This because now money comes into play rather than just raw skill. Picture a brilliant but poor player. How would that person fare against someone who has a good AI to practice against?
- ALittleLight 7y ago
  Picture a brilliant but poor person who doesn't have the time to dedicate to the game because they must deal with the constraints of being poor. Buying high end computer hardware is very cheap relative to the time required to become very good at go. Conversely, having a reasonably strong go program available on your mobile will mean there's more access to people to play and get analysis. I would expect that AI makes it better for poor people. Previously, a non-poor person might take classes or have a tutor. Now, a poor person can have an AI analysis of each of their games if they want.

blueboo 7y ago

Human+AI play was forecasted to be the next big thing, but has proven to be a mere curiosity. After all, imagine a sitting down next to a grandmaster who helps you play your moves. Every move comes down to: Do you want to play the best move? y/N Indeed, the moves that a human would've overruled in the Lee Sedol tournament are the ones that vaulted AlphaGo to victory.

akvadrako 7y ago
Move 97 of game 4 didn't seem to help AlphaGo and a human certainly would have vetoed it.
- bernds74 7y ago
  Even more recently, Lee Sedol managed to beat another AI where a human would have vetoed the computer move. Lee is the real world's John Connor, the only man able to beat the machines.