IMO it depends what you mean by “good programming”. An Excel spreadsheet with a bunch of VBA macros is by absolutely no means graceful programming or beautiful

IMO it depends what you mean by “good programming”. An Excel spreadsheet with a bunch of VBA macros is by absolutely no means graceful programming or beautiful programming but it’s highly effective and has served as an entry to the world of programming for a huge number of people, myself included. It’s productive programming with little of the bikeshedding you’ll find in much less “mentally mutilated” setups.