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Because thats what matters to you? Were europeans sending aid to China a power move? It’s acceptable to send aid to each other, no matter who you appear to repr

by tmotwu 7y ago

Because thats what matters to you? Were europeans sending aid to China a power move? It’s acceptable to send aid to each other, no matter who you appear to represent.

brrrrr1 7y ago
what help specifically were europeans sending to china, other than racist blunders and loads of ignorance of their problem?
- soneil 7y ago
  China appear to be making special efforts to send whatever they can to Italy, in recognition of Italy going above and beyond in the aftermath of the 2008 Sichuan 'quake. For all that's going wrong lately, it's not a bad thing to see, I think.
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  - buonanotteciao 7y ago
    That's just propaganda. "China is not helping us, they are justing making propaganda for their people. All they did was sending 9 doctors and shipping masks that we had to PAY for. No gifts, no true donations." https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/fhyayr/italian_here_dont_trust_the_chinese_propaganda/ https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/fhyayr/italian_h...
mdgrech23 7y ago
Found the Chinese bot.
_bxg1 7y ago
There is no "appear". China's capitalist leaders are in the pocket of the CCP, whether they want to be or not. I'm not saying it's unacceptable, I'm saying that China and the U.S. are direct rivals in a way that China and Europe are not, and that it will appear a certain way to the world, and that the way it appears will be advantageous to the CCP.
- o_p 7y ago
  The only difference is that in the US the goverment is in the pocket of the capitalists leaders.
zrobotics 7y ago
The EU sending aid is definitely a political flex. It is still a good gesture, but sending aid is a sign that a country is in a 'superior' position. Jack Ma doing this is also a political move. I'm sure that part of the motivation is just to help, but it seems clear to me that this is also intended to show that China is in a position to help the US, and the optics of that are that the countries are on equal footing. Remember, China as a country does have a bit of a complex about their status, which is completely understandable considering the rapid changes they have been through. This aid shows that, rather than being a 2nd-class citizen, the country is in a position to help America with something. That being said, this is a great thing, these are much needed supplies for which there isn't a large domestic manufacturing capacity (as it was offshore). However charitable acts can also have additional political motivations, and that does seem to be a factor here.
- wonnage 7y ago
  America has the yugest complex around; with Biden as the frontrunner we now have two old men running for the president, both trying to Make America Great Again, only slightly disagreeing on the methods and period of time we have to go back to recover our greatest Great-ness.
- EdwardDiego 7y ago
  > The EU sending aid is definitely a political flex. It is still a good gesture, but sending aid is a sign that a country is in a 'superior' position. When countries from around the world sent urban SAR specialists to Christchurch following the earthquake, was that a signal that, say, Taiwan, thinks they're superior? When we send our victim identification specialists or rural firefighter volunteers to countries that need them, is that flexing? Or is it just, I dunno, countries helping each other?
- addicted 7y ago
  In the case of COVID 19 testing and preparation China today is undoubtedly in a much superior position. You can even ignore how badly the US government has bungled it. The simple reason is that China is the second largest economy in the world and has had more time to deal with and tackle the virus. The problem is that the US federal government has so thoroughly messed up the situation that this looks really bad. If the US government hadn’t done such a bad job of testing this donation may have maybe added 50% or doubled the number of available tests and it would simply look like a generous donation, rather than also shining light on the embarrassing US response.
wolco 7y ago
I agree, allow people to show there kindness. Things aren't always so black and white.
refurb 7y ago
It absolutely is a power move. That's why when Cuba is struck with a hurricane, they reject American aid [1], despite being a relatively poor country who could obviously benefit from it. [1]https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94379104 https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=943791...
- antonvs 7y ago
  That only tells us that Cuba is inclined to view such offers as "power moves". Is the Gates Foundation an organization devoted to making power moves around the world?
  - refurb 7y ago
    I think the Gates Foundation is not regarded as a political organization.
    - antonvs 7y ago
      Is Jack Ma regarded as a political organization? I'm not getting the criteria here. They seem biased.

by tmotwu 7y ago

Because thats what matters to you? Were europeans sending aid to China a power move? It’s acceptable to send aid to each other, no matter who you appear to represent.

brrrrr1 7y ago

what help specifically were europeans sending to china, other than racist blunders and loads of ignorance of their problem?

soneil 7y ago
China appear to be making special efforts to send whatever they can to Italy, in recognition of Italy going above and beyond in the aftermath of the 2008 Sichuan 'quake. For all that's going wrong lately, it's not a bad thing to see, I think.
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]
- buonanotteciao 7y ago
  That's just propaganda. "China is not helping us, they are justing making propaganda for their people. All they did was sending 9 doctors and shipping masks that we had to PAY for. No gifts, no true donations." https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/fhyayr/italian_here_dont_trust_the_chinese_propaganda/ https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/fhyayr/italian_h...

mdgrech23 7y ago

Found the Chinese bot.

_bxg1 7y ago

There is no "appear". China's capitalist leaders are in the pocket of the CCP, whether they want to be or not. I'm not saying it's unacceptable, I'm saying that China and the U.S. are direct rivals in a way that China and Europe are not, and that it will appear a certain way to the world, and that the way it appears will be advantageous to the CCP.

o_p 7y ago
The only difference is that in the US the goverment is in the pocket of the capitalists leaders.

zrobotics 7y ago

The EU sending aid is definitely a political flex. It is still a good gesture, but sending aid is a sign that a country is in a 'superior' position. Jack Ma doing this is also a political move. I'm sure that part of the motivation is just to help, but it seems clear to me that this is also intended to show that China is in a position to help the US, and the optics of that are that the countries are on equal footing. Remember, China as a country does have a bit of a complex about their status, which is completely understandable considering the rapid changes they have been through. This aid shows that, rather than being a 2nd-class citizen, the country is in a position to help America with something. That being said, this is a great thing, these are much needed supplies for which there isn't a large domestic manufacturing capacity (as it was offshore). However charitable acts can also have additional political motivations, and that does seem to be a factor here.

wonnage 7y ago
America has the yugest complex around; with Biden as the frontrunner we now have two old men running for the president, both trying to Make America Great Again, only slightly disagreeing on the methods and period of time we have to go back to recover our greatest Great-ness.
EdwardDiego 7y ago
> The EU sending aid is definitely a political flex. It is still a good gesture, but sending aid is a sign that a country is in a 'superior' position. When countries from around the world sent urban SAR specialists to Christchurch following the earthquake, was that a signal that, say, Taiwan, thinks they're superior? When we send our victim identification specialists or rural firefighter volunteers to countries that need them, is that flexing? Or is it just, I dunno, countries helping each other?
addicted 7y ago
In the case of COVID 19 testing and preparation China today is undoubtedly in a much superior position. You can even ignore how badly the US government has bungled it. The simple reason is that China is the second largest economy in the world and has had more time to deal with and tackle the virus. The problem is that the US federal government has so thoroughly messed up the situation that this looks really bad. If the US government hadn’t done such a bad job of testing this donation may have maybe added 50% or doubled the number of available tests and it would simply look like a generous donation, rather than also shining light on the embarrassing US response.

wolco 7y ago

I agree, allow people to show there kindness. Things aren't always so black and white.

refurb 7y ago

It absolutely is a power move. That's why when Cuba is struck with a hurricane, they reject American aid [1], despite being a relatively poor country who could obviously benefit from it. [1]https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94379104 https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=943791...

antonvs 7y ago
That only tells us that Cuba is inclined to view such offers as "power moves". Is the Gates Foundation an organization devoted to making power moves around the world?
- refurb 7y ago
  I think the Gates Foundation is not regarded as a political organization.
  - antonvs 7y ago
    Is Jack Ma regarded as a political organization? I'm not getting the criteria here. They seem biased.