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Imagine if Trump supporters knew this is what the beginning of socialism looks like.

by byproxy 7y ago

mantas 7y ago
Historically beginning of socialism looks totally differently.
- munk-a 7y ago
  I mean, technically, since usually a pandemic isn't the instigating factor, but maybe your statement would carry more weight if you actually described the contrast you're implying.
  - mantas 7y ago
    Contrast is that every socialist country so far was started by a more or less bloody revolution. Not by public-private partnership.
    - munk-a 7y ago
      When did Denmark, Sweden or Britain have their bloody revolutions? I agree that has been the case in economically disadvantaged countries but do you think America is closer to Cuba, Venezuela or Tzarist Russia... or closer to Britain.
      - mantas 7y ago
        When did any of them became socialist?
allovernow 7y ago
What? Socialization would see the government forcibly taking control of these corporations. This is nothing like socialism. This is legitimately the kind of stimulus that the economy has needed for decades. A true cause for the American powerhouse to rally behind, if there's anything left of it. Yeah the administration has been less than ideal in handling this but you people need to give credit where it is due. This will be a true test of the viability of the declining American Empire.
- munk-a 7y ago
  Look, either socialism includes Bernie Sander's Democratic Socialism or it doesn't - it can't be both A&B and A&!B at the same time. If you think Bernie Sanders is a socialist then this is socialism, if you think this is good then you like Sanders' level of socialism.
  - allovernow 7y ago
    If that's the case then the word socialism has lost any consistent meaning. We are literally turning toward capitalist corporations to manufacture and sell products to solve a crisis. This is not socialism. Workers are not taking control of factories. The government is not commandeering private resources. >Look, either socialism includes Bernie Sander's Democratic Socialism or it doesn't You also don't seem to understand how many different flavors of socialism exist - feel free to point out how what's going on now fits under any definition. Also what does any of this have to do with Sanders?
    - munk-a 7y ago
      I bring it up because Sanders' Democratic Socialism has been repeatedly called out as Stalinist and made to be a boogeyman. And I agree, the word socialism is losing meaning because right wing media has been trying to equate democratic socialism with Stalin for years now - I think now is an opportune time to clarify that this is the level of socialism being advocated for, a public/private partnership where the government intervenes in one segment of the market to help guide the others.
      - allovernow 7y ago
        >And I agree, the word socialism is losing meaning because right wing media has been trying to equate democratic socialism with Stalin The fact that you agree with what you read does not mean that it isn't propaganda. The man had his homeymoon in the USSR and is on video talking fondly of bread lines. I'm not saying he's Stalin 2.0 but right wing media isn't entirely stretching when they point out how far removed his policies are from American politics. Note, that's not a value judgement. I'm just saying you're wrong to blame the shift in meaning on the particular media that you don't agree with.

Imagine if Trump supporters knew this is what the beginning of socialism looks like.

mantas 7y ago

Historically beginning of socialism looks totally differently.

munk-a 7y ago
I mean, technically, since usually a pandemic isn't the instigating factor, but maybe your statement would carry more weight if you actually described the contrast you're implying.
- mantas 7y ago
  Contrast is that every socialist country so far was started by a more or less bloody revolution. Not by public-private partnership.
  - munk-a 7y ago
    When did Denmark, Sweden or Britain have their bloody revolutions? I agree that has been the case in economically disadvantaged countries but do you think America is closer to Cuba, Venezuela or Tzarist Russia... or closer to Britain.
    - mantas 7y ago
      When did any of them became socialist?

allovernow 7y ago

What? Socialization would see the government forcibly taking control of these corporations. This is nothing like socialism. This is legitimately the kind of stimulus that the economy has needed for decades. A true cause for the American powerhouse to rally behind, if there's anything left of it. Yeah the administration has been less than ideal in handling this but you people need to give credit where it is due. This will be a true test of the viability of the declining American Empire.

munk-a 7y ago
Look, either socialism includes Bernie Sander's Democratic Socialism or it doesn't - it can't be both A&B and A&!B at the same time. If you think Bernie Sanders is a socialist then this is socialism, if you think this is good then you like Sanders' level of socialism.
- allovernow 7y ago
  If that's the case then the word socialism has lost any consistent meaning. We are literally turning toward capitalist corporations to manufacture and sell products to solve a crisis. This is not socialism. Workers are not taking control of factories. The government is not commandeering private resources. >Look, either socialism includes Bernie Sander's Democratic Socialism or it doesn't You also don't seem to understand how many different flavors of socialism exist - feel free to point out how what's going on now fits under any definition. Also what does any of this have to do with Sanders?
  - munk-a 7y ago
    I bring it up because Sanders' Democratic Socialism has been repeatedly called out as Stalinist and made to be a boogeyman. And I agree, the word socialism is losing meaning because right wing media has been trying to equate democratic socialism with Stalin for years now - I think now is an opportune time to clarify that this is the level of socialism being advocated for, a public/private partnership where the government intervenes in one segment of the market to help guide the others.
    - allovernow 7y ago
      >And I agree, the word socialism is losing meaning because right wing media has been trying to equate democratic socialism with Stalin The fact that you agree with what you read does not mean that it isn't propaganda. The man had his homeymoon in the USSR and is on video talking fondly of bread lines. I'm not saying he's Stalin 2.0 but right wing media isn't entirely stretching when they point out how far removed his policies are from American politics. Note, that's not a value judgement. I'm just saying you're wrong to blame the shift in meaning on the particular media that you don't agree with.