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These are the truly frightening threats from this I think. A crippled population from secondary effects we're just about to discover.

• sharken 7y ago
  While i agree that we should be careful about this, i would say that the phrase "Some patients might have around a drop of 20 to 30% in lung function" is not a sure sign that we should be scared. More data and more time is needed to figure things out.
  • s9w 7y ago
    Of course. But this is only one of many such reports. I've read things about massive increase of cystic fibrosis and damage to testicles in males. Maybe those reports were wonky, I don't know. But the possibility of a real after-effect like that combined with a predicted massive infection rate seems to make the death number to be a trivial problem in comparison.
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• claudeganon 7y ago
  Imagine what this population would also do to insurance costs if we keep on rejecting a single payer system as well.
  • sigstoat 7y ago
    imagine what this population would do to the budget and _resources_ of a single payer system. it's bad news for everyone.
    • claudeganon 7y ago
      South Korea seems to be doing fine.
      • sigstoat 7y ago
        you were addressing the costs. we'll yet see what the costs to South Korea, and Italy, and all the other countries are. even if single payer is magically wonderful, it doesn't necessarily make a natural disaster like this cheaper to deal with.
        • claudeganon 7y ago
          >even if single payer is magically wonderful, it doesn't necessarily make a natural disaster like this cheaper to deal with. But...it does? Healthcare is more expensive across the board in the US than South Korea. If all the same care was delivered in the US as has and will be in South Korea, it would still be more expensive in the US. This is like arguing that a hundred of one thing that costs five dollars in South Korea is the same as a 100 of one thing that costs ten dollars in the US.
          • sigstoat 7y ago
            https://randomcriticalanalysis.com/why-conventional-wisdom-on-health-care-is-wrong-a-primer https://randomcriticalanalysis.com/why-conventional-wisdom-o...
            • claudeganon 7y ago
              Respectfully, this is just nonsense. Japan has a nationwide fee schedule that’s enforced across the board and they’re a wealthy country, with a lot of people, that consume a lot of healthcare under a single payer system. Still cheaper and with better outcomes.
              • rcafdm 7y ago
                Outcomes are determined by more than health system inputs alone (indeed, it has little to do with health care in the developed world), and costs have much to do with the intensity of health care. Rich countries spend more because they can, not because they need to.