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> shouldn't you be be able to repair it, modify it however you want, use it for different purposes, loan it to friends, sell it to others, and so on all of the
by kmlx 7y ago
> shouldn't you be be able to repair it, modify it however you want, use it for different purposes, loan it to friends, sell it to others, and so on
all of these are completely different actions, have different standing in front of the law, have different repercussions etc etc
the way i see these kinds of initiatives: i think they're healthy, i think we need them, but i also notice how they're from a bygone era where cars where fixed in the driveway. that age has passed, and sure, we need a new paradigm. but i still wouldn't trust a random person vs a dedicated service center to fix my phone. can we make those phones so simple that anyone can repair them? would this entail any performance drawbacks?
curios to see where this whole thing leads.
- justinclift 7y ago> notice how they're from a bygone era where cars where fixed in the driveway. that age has passed Do you feel that age has passed because manufacturers now block people having the info needed for repair, or are you meaning the complexity of cars has increased?
- ska 7y agoHonestly, probably a bit of both.
- justinclift 7y agoOk then. :) Perhaps the age of fixing cars in the driveway may return, if manufacturers aren't able to block the info needed. At present, more technically advanced people seem to piece together their own CANbus diagnostic tools. But off the shelf products that work for "every model" should be practical if this legislation works.
- ska 7y agoAbsolutely better regs around access to diagnostics (e.g. CAN bus as you mention) is part of the story. But for the bigger internal stuff, tolerances are a lot tighter than they were 20 years ago, which can make it hard to do a good job of in your driveway. Certainly some superficial repairs are made much harder than they should be, but a lot of that is more modular too so you aren't saving a ton doing it at home. At least you can find out which control unit should be replaced if you can read the diagnostics properly :)
- justinclift 7y agoInteresting point about the tolerances, hadn't though of that. For making your own machined parts (eg crankshaft, engine block/heads), that makes sense. Though, making your own engine block is pretty far from a "home garage thing" anyway. People used to just buy those parts from a local supplier or wrecker, then fit them in their garage at home. That doesn't seem like it should have changed.
- Too 7y agoThis already exists, OBD2 is a standard diagnostics interface mandated by law. I would guess most of the tools you are referring to are using this.
- justinclift 7y agoYeah, but AKAIK the codes themselves seem to often be manufacturer internal info. People into automotive (and boat, uav) CAN stuff have figured out ways to reverse engineer much of it though.