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> apprenticeship should be also a full-time paid job What makes it different from a job then?

by collyw 7y ago

Finnucane 7y ago
Primarily that it is a job-training position. You're not expected to really know how to do the job when you get it. No one is really expecting it's going to go back to like it was in Ye Olde Dayes when apprentices started as children shoveling coal into the ovens (I worked for a while in a cooking school where some of the instructors had actually gone through that).
- C1sc0cat 7y ago
  Or as my dad said you spend the first year filling and fetching the Tea
ken 7y ago
It literally is-a job. If you mean what distinguishes it from non-apprenticeship jobs, then (at least in the USA) the government declares [1] that it is: "PAID JOB + EDUCATION + CREDENTIALS". [1]: https://www.apprenticeship.gov/employers https://www.apprenticeship.gov/employers
magicalhippo 7y ago
Here in Norway it means slightly less pay and less responsibility. For example, I just had some wiring redone in my home, the certified electrician had an apprentice with him. The apprentice got instructed and monitored by the certified electrician, and on my bill they charged a fair bit less for his work. So it is a job, just the job title is a bit different.
- wolco 7y ago
  They charged you for the person who gave instructions and for the apprentice? I feel like they took advantage of you. Having a company push the costs of training someone to you is unfair. If the professional did the work himself it would have been done quickier and with more quality. Instead you paided. Surprised they didn't send a team of 5 to help.
  - magicalhippo 7y ago
    The alternative is me paying a lot more for the certified electrician doing the work. We're talking manual labor here, the certified electrician decided what to put where.
C1sc0cat 7y ago
Normally a traditional apprenticeship is a fixed term contract and had some odd quirks. In the UK you could not be made redundant for example, you could be sacked for breach of contract if you where lazy or rubbish. Some of the German ones you still do a walkabout as a journeyman

> apprenticeship should be also a full-time paid job What makes it different from a job then?

by collyw 7y ago

> apprenticeship should be also a full-time paid job What makes it different from a job then?

Primarily that it is a job-training position. You're not expected to really know how to do the job when you get it. No one is really expecting it's going to go back to like it was in Ye Olde Dayes when apprentices started as children shoveling coal into the ovens (I worked for a while in a cooking school where some of the instructors had actually gone through that).

C1sc0cat 7y ago
Or as my dad said you spend the first year filling and fetching the Tea

ken 7y ago

It literally is-a job. If you mean what distinguishes it from non-apprenticeship jobs, then (at least in the USA) the government declares [1] that it is: "PAID JOB + EDUCATION + CREDENTIALS". [1]: https://www.apprenticeship.gov/employers https://www.apprenticeship.gov/employers

magicalhippo 7y ago

Here in Norway it means slightly less pay and less responsibility. For example, I just had some wiring redone in my home, the certified electrician had an apprentice with him. The apprentice got instructed and monitored by the certified electrician, and on my bill they charged a fair bit less for his work. So it is a job, just the job title is a bit different.

wolco 7y ago
They charged you for the person who gave instructions and for the apprentice? I feel like they took advantage of you. Having a company push the costs of training someone to you is unfair. If the professional did the work himself it would have been done quickier and with more quality. Instead you paided. Surprised they didn't send a team of 5 to help.
- magicalhippo 7y ago
  The alternative is me paying a lot more for the certified electrician doing the work. We're talking manual labor here, the certified electrician decided what to put where.

C1sc0cat 7y ago

Normally a traditional apprenticeship is a fixed term contract and had some odd quirks. In the UK you could not be made redundant for example, you could be sacked for breach of contract if you where lazy or rubbish. Some of the German ones you still do a walkabout as a journeyman