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Companies often have the monopoly on repair for their products because they don’t make the parts and diagnostic tools available. Yes, they ask money for repair,

Companies often have the monopoly on repair for their products because they don’t make the parts and diagnostic tools available. Yes, they ask money for repair, but there also plenty of repairs they flat out refuse to do. Apple refuses to repair phones with water damage for example. Repairs that repair shops might be happy to do, if they had the access to parts.

listsfrin 7y ago
How do you repair water damage? Look at the colour of the motherboard and declare it's fine? Besides that, most Apple phones since 2016 or so are water resistant.
- rrmoelker 7y ago
  Scrape off rust, replace chips that have been shorted. Does depend on chips being available and some knowledge on how to diagnose the damages (e.g.: board schematics). Here's an example of new age Macbook pro's dying from little water ingress (design oversight). And a combination of knowledge and a simple chip can fix your nearly write off Macbook. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jahtu1_idVU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jahtu1_idVU
  - listsfrin 7y ago
    Manual work like that should be more expensive than buying new.
    - rrmoelker 7y ago
      "should be"? I can see how it's more expensive now. But I think that as a collective having things repaired is preferred. For most manufactures the incentives now is to minimize repairability. Increasing the repair cost. Having some regulation in place to limit repairability prevention may tip the scale a bit towards repairing.
    - danShumway 7y ago
      I would be very surprised if Rossman charged more for that repair than the cost of a new Macbook. Apple loves to say that their products are so expensive and complicated that manual repairs just aren't worth doing. But observably, in the real world, even with all of the crap Apple puts in front of repair shops to slow them down, that isn't true. Third-party repairpeople still manage to regularly beat Apple's prices.

listsfrin 7y ago

How do you repair water damage? Look at the colour of the motherboard and declare it's fine? Besides that, most Apple phones since 2016 or so are water resistant.

rrmoelker 7y ago
Scrape off rust, replace chips that have been shorted. Does depend on chips being available and some knowledge on how to diagnose the damages (e.g.: board schematics). Here's an example of new age Macbook pro's dying from little water ingress (design oversight). And a combination of knowledge and a simple chip can fix your nearly write off Macbook. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jahtu1_idVU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jahtu1_idVU
- listsfrin 7y ago
  Manual work like that should be more expensive than buying new.
  - rrmoelker 7y ago
    "should be"? I can see how it's more expensive now. But I think that as a collective having things repaired is preferred. For most manufactures the incentives now is to minimize repairability. Increasing the repair cost. Having some regulation in place to limit repairability prevention may tip the scale a bit towards repairing.
  - danShumway 7y ago
    I would be very surprised if Rossman charged more for that repair than the cost of a new Macbook. Apple loves to say that their products are so expensive and complicated that manual repairs just aren't worth doing. But observably, in the real world, even with all of the crap Apple puts in front of repair shops to slow them down, that isn't true. Third-party repairpeople still manage to regularly beat Apple's prices.