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Then you'll be out of luck. Same as you cannot legally buy leaded fuels in most countries anymore, even tho you might prefer them, and same as Bayer will not se

Then you'll be out of luck. Same as you cannot legally buy leaded fuels in most countries anymore, even tho you might prefer them, and same as Bayer will not sell you Heroin(tm) to treat your cough anymore.

fastball 7y ago
Wait so you think you should not be allowed to buy "unrepairable" devices?
- rndgermandude 7y ago
  No, I think it should be illegal for companies to sell new products. Which has the same net result as a buying ban for the new goods markets (and used goods market over time). Now the question that needs careful consideration is what constitutes "unrepairable" legally? It has to be sensible and legally ironclad.
- playfool 7y ago
  I think so, yes. Think OP does as well.
- efdee 7y ago
  Oh, you should be allowed to buy them. Manufacturers just shouldn't be allowed to produce them.
- xorcist 7y ago
  I for one would love this. It used to be that you got a complete circuit schematic when buying a new TV. Perhaps we don't need to go that far, but just removing the moats that prevent people from building compatible hardware would go far. That toners include DRM chips just to protect consumer unfriendly business models still bothers me. It's just e-waste for no good.
- tremon 7y ago
  Of course you should be allowed that. It's just that no one will be allowed to sell you one.
  - fastball 7y ago
    So... no, you wouldn't be able to.
    - rndgermandude 7y ago
      You can buy your stuff in China or whereever if you really want to. And I wouldn't include any used goods sold between actual people (not the corporation people) and grandfather in any products that were first put on the market before a certain date (and make that date a few years in the future as a grace period). And maybe even progressively introduce different restrictions. But yes, by and large it has the same effect and yes, I think that this effect is to be desired.
    - eeZah7Ux 7y ago
      Wrong.
      - fastball 7y ago
        So the goal is to make Europe just completely uncompetitive with China et al?

fastball 7y ago

Wait so you think you should not be allowed to buy "unrepairable" devices?

rndgermandude 7y ago
No, I think it should be illegal for companies to sell new products. Which has the same net result as a buying ban for the new goods markets (and used goods market over time). Now the question that needs careful consideration is what constitutes "unrepairable" legally? It has to be sensible and legally ironclad.
playfool 7y ago
I think so, yes. Think OP does as well.
efdee 7y ago
Oh, you should be allowed to buy them. Manufacturers just shouldn't be allowed to produce them.
xorcist 7y ago
I for one would love this. It used to be that you got a complete circuit schematic when buying a new TV. Perhaps we don't need to go that far, but just removing the moats that prevent people from building compatible hardware would go far. That toners include DRM chips just to protect consumer unfriendly business models still bothers me. It's just e-waste for no good.
tremon 7y ago
Of course you should be allowed that. It's just that no one will be allowed to sell you one.
- fastball 7y ago
  So... no, you wouldn't be able to.
  - rndgermandude 7y ago
    You can buy your stuff in China or whereever if you really want to. And I wouldn't include any used goods sold between actual people (not the corporation people) and grandfather in any products that were first put on the market before a certain date (and make that date a few years in the future as a grace period). And maybe even progressively introduce different restrictions. But yes, by and large it has the same effect and yes, I think that this effect is to be desired.
  - eeZah7Ux 7y ago
    Wrong.
    - fastball 7y ago
      So the goal is to make Europe just completely uncompetitive with China et al?