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#3 was to show what can happen in one hospital. These patients are hard to transfer. Lombardy is about 9200 sq mi. (about 100 miles square). If you need a venti

#3 was to show what can happen in one hospital. These patients are hard to transfer. Lombardy is about 9200 sq mi. (about 100 miles square). If you need a ventilator you may not be able to withstand a 50 mile ambulance ride. But I concede I cannot offer conclusive proof that Italy is out of ventilators.

T-A 7y ago
Lombardy started transferring intensive care patients to other regions a week ago: https://ilmanifesto.it/lombardia-paziente-trasferiti-fuori-regione/ https://ilmanifesto.it/lombardia-paziente-trasferiti-fuori-r...
- skmurphy 7y ago
  from the translation it does not appear they are moving Covid-19 patients: "For the first time, Lombard hospitals have had to resort to the Remote Health Relief Operations Center (CROSS), which intervenes when a region is no longer able to cope with the number of patients and must seek help from other regions. The Civil Protection has ordered that a number of ICU patients in Lombardy for other diseases be transferred to hospitals in neighboring regions." Note this is first time it's been triggered which indicates it's a difficult and risky process. Article also notes "The people in charge of intensive care in Lombardy have sent a dramatic appeal to Governor Attilio Fontana: "Healthcare facilities are under greater pressure than any possibility of adequate response", the doctors write. "Despite the enormous commitment of all healthcare personnel and the deployment of all available tools, correct management of the phenomenon is now impossible." This sounds like a system that's out of ICU beds. see also https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2763188 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2763188 "As of March 8, critically ill patients (initially COVID-19–negative patients) have been transferred to receptive ICUs outside the region via a national coordinating emergency office."

T-A 7y ago

Lombardy started transferring intensive care patients to other regions a week ago: https://ilmanifesto.it/lombardia-paziente-trasferiti-fuori-regione/ https://ilmanifesto.it/lombardia-paziente-trasferiti-fuori-r...

skmurphy 7y ago
from the translation it does not appear they are moving Covid-19 patients: "For the first time, Lombard hospitals have had to resort to the Remote Health Relief Operations Center (CROSS), which intervenes when a region is no longer able to cope with the number of patients and must seek help from other regions. The Civil Protection has ordered that a number of ICU patients in Lombardy for other diseases be transferred to hospitals in neighboring regions." Note this is first time it's been triggered which indicates it's a difficult and risky process. Article also notes "The people in charge of intensive care in Lombardy have sent a dramatic appeal to Governor Attilio Fontana: "Healthcare facilities are under greater pressure than any possibility of adequate response", the doctors write. "Despite the enormous commitment of all healthcare personnel and the deployment of all available tools, correct management of the phenomenon is now impossible." This sounds like a system that's out of ICU beds. see also https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2763188 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2763188 "As of March 8, critically ill patients (initially COVID-19–negative patients) have been transferred to receptive ICUs outside the region via a national coordinating emergency office."