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I remember 9/11, saw the second plane hit with my own eyes. Other than airports and flying being more inconvenient nothing fundamental really changed as I saw i

I remember 9/11, saw the second plane hit with my own eyes. Other than airports and flying being more inconvenient nothing fundamental really changed as I saw it. People still traveled, people still flew and so on. Now you just budget an extra hour before a flight.

neuronic 7y ago
Geopolitics has seen massive impact since then. For example, the rise of ISIS is a direct descendant of the Iraq war which is a direct consequence of corrupt and criminal decision making by the Bush/Cheney admin in response to 9/11. Debatable if the Arab Spring would have occurred without it, as the Middle East might have been much more stable.
- marcinzm 7y ago
  Sure but the comment I responded to wasn't about geopolitics but daily life changes.
  - jacobush 7y ago
    Because geopolitics does not change daily life? Damn, you should see some geopolitics where I live.
- netsharc 7y ago
  Hear hear. And war refugees entering Europe is causing right-wing populism to rise (not that years of stupid austerity polcies was helping). Would Brexit have happened without 9/11? There's an ancient TIME article I have in my archives highlighting how the Dubya admin ignored Clinton's intelligence team's attempts to hand over info about the threat of a terrorist attack in the US. Would 9/11 have been prevented if Gore had won 2000? God damn hanging chads and rigged elections...
dboreham 7y ago
Pretty much the US just introduced the security measures other countries had had for years before.
- zanny 7y ago
  The TSA has been proven many times over to be totally ineffectual security theater - theres this popular report from a few years back that the TSA has a 95% failure rate when their measures are tested[1]. It doesn't go anywhere because there is now a lot of private industry in it for contract money to supply the spectacle whom have the lobbying power to keep it in place, but it is a total waste of money and gross violation of privacy for no positive benefit to society. [1] https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tsa-fails-95-percent-tests-homeland-security_n_7485558 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tsa-fails-95-percent-tests-ho...
  - dboreham 7y ago
    Ok, I misspoke : the US introduced less effective security measures than other countries had before. In particular you'll see other countries focus on measures like interviewing (briefly) the passengers as they board.

neuronic 7y ago

Geopolitics has seen massive impact since then. For example, the rise of ISIS is a direct descendant of the Iraq war which is a direct consequence of corrupt and criminal decision making by the Bush/Cheney admin in response to 9/11. Debatable if the Arab Spring would have occurred without it, as the Middle East might have been much more stable.

marcinzm 7y ago
Sure but the comment I responded to wasn't about geopolitics but daily life changes.
- jacobush 7y ago
  Because geopolitics does not change daily life? Damn, you should see some geopolitics where I live.
netsharc 7y ago
Hear hear. And war refugees entering Europe is causing right-wing populism to rise (not that years of stupid austerity polcies was helping). Would Brexit have happened without 9/11? There's an ancient TIME article I have in my archives highlighting how the Dubya admin ignored Clinton's intelligence team's attempts to hand over info about the threat of a terrorist attack in the US. Would 9/11 have been prevented if Gore had won 2000? God damn hanging chads and rigged elections...

dboreham 7y ago

Pretty much the US just introduced the security measures other countries had had for years before.

zanny 7y ago
The TSA has been proven many times over to be totally ineffectual security theater - theres this popular report from a few years back that the TSA has a 95% failure rate when their measures are tested[1]. It doesn't go anywhere because there is now a lot of private industry in it for contract money to supply the spectacle whom have the lobbying power to keep it in place, but it is a total waste of money and gross violation of privacy for no positive benefit to society. [1] https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tsa-fails-95-percent-tests-homeland-security_n_7485558 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tsa-fails-95-percent-tests-ho...
- dboreham 7y ago
  Ok, I misspoke : the US introduced less effective security measures than other countries had before. In particular you'll see other countries focus on measures like interviewing (briefly) the passengers as they board.