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Everything old is new again. Superdeterminism is basically the concept that everything follows from the initial conditions of the universe in a deterministic fa

by titzer 7y ago

Everything old is new again. Superdeterminism is basically the concept that everything follows from the initial conditions of the universe in a deterministic fashion. In short, it's a clockwork universe below the quantum level. It is compatible with Bell's theorem because it's not local hidden variables, it's global hidden variables--i.e. the state of the entire universe. The problem is, according to my current understanding, superdeterminism cannot be tested.

Grieverheart 7y ago
The authors of the article offer a possible test for a class of super deterministic theories.
Frost1x 7y ago
This is the my first time reading about Superdeterminism and the author hits on my of my amature/novice intuitions on issues like the measurement problem, hidden variables, and Bell's theorem (call me weird but these are topics I enjoy reading, studying, and thinking about--technically and philosophically). I'd be very interested in hearing and explanation and understanding why superdeterminism cannot be tested (it's not clearly obvious to me how that's the case) because if that is the case, it would explain why it was largely unpursued/undeveloped (similar to what someone else in this thread posted--if it's true, it supposeldy offers little useful insight beyond better explaining issues in quantum mechanics by replacing one blackbox of uncertainty with another). Based on the author's description, much of the issue is that the theory has had little attention and as such, is largely undeveloped (and therefore, isn't going to be developed enough for experimental testing).
- dodobirdlord 7y ago
  > I'd be very interested in hearing and explanation and understanding why superdeterminism cannot be tested What experiment could you run in a superdetermined universe that would distinguish it from a non-superdetermined universe? Vice versa? There's nothing.

by titzer 7y ago

Grieverheart 7y ago

The authors of the article offer a possible test for a class of super deterministic theories.

Frost1x 7y ago

This is the my first time reading about Superdeterminism and the author hits on my of my amature/novice intuitions on issues like the measurement problem, hidden variables, and Bell's theorem (call me weird but these are topics I enjoy reading, studying, and thinking about--technically and philosophically). I'd be very interested in hearing and explanation and understanding why superdeterminism cannot be tested (it's not clearly obvious to me how that's the case) because if that is the case, it would explain why it was largely unpursued/undeveloped (similar to what someone else in this thread posted--if it's true, it supposeldy offers little useful insight beyond better explaining issues in quantum mechanics by replacing one blackbox of uncertainty with another). Based on the author's description, much of the issue is that the theory has had little attention and as such, is largely undeveloped (and therefore, isn't going to be developed enough for experimental testing).

dodobirdlord 7y ago
> I'd be very interested in hearing and explanation and understanding why superdeterminism cannot be tested What experiment could you run in a superdetermined universe that would distinguish it from a non-superdetermined universe? Vice versa? There's nothing.