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If anyone knows of a (legit) way to donate or make a payment towards her $256,000 in fines, please do share the details.

sp332 7y ago
Her lawyer (https://twitter.com/chasestrangio https://twitter.com/chasestrangio) retweeted a link to https://actionnetwork.org/fundraising/chelsea-manning-needs-legal-funds-to-resist-a-grand-jury-subpoena https://actionnetwork.org/fundraising/chelsea-manning-needs-...
- einpoklum 7y ago
  Important: That link is _not_ intended for donations towards paying the fine, but rather Ms. Manning's legal defense!
  - sp332 7y ago
    Do you have more information about this? I saw this link posted a lot in response to this question, but no actual details.
    - einpoklum 7y ago
      Just follow the link... it says: > What will funds go toward specifically? > We will need legal funds for Chelsea’s legal fees, and legal costs such as court transcripts and travel, and commissary.
  - laxd 7y ago
    Whats the difference? She needs x amounts of money.
    - ObsoleteNerd 7y ago
      The link above goes to paying her legal team. Her fine will come from her own funds separately. Your lawyers don't pay your fines, you do personally. Ideally, her legal team or someone would put up a separate fundraiser for her fine, that goes specifically to paying that. I for one would definitely donate.
      - pyuser583 7y ago
        Many fundraising platforms explicitly forbid raising funds to pay criminal fines.
        freeone3000 7y ago
        We need a paypal link and a github pages site, not necessarily a kickstarter. She's a high profile enough case to not need a dedicated platform.
    - irjustin 7y ago
      Right, but the primary reason you would support Manning is because you believe the government is in the wrong and that the $256k is considered coercive because the government is using it to pressure her into doing something that isn't in her best interest in regards to a fair trial. So the goal would be to pay lawyer fees to fight the $256k of fees.
      - Godel_unicode 7y ago
        > doing something that isn't in her best interest in regards to a fair trial You're aware she's been granted immunity, right?
        einpoklum 7y ago
        No she hasn't. That is, she was not made immune to incarceration and confiscation of money - which is what the federal state did to her. She was only immune from prosecution about what she says in her testimony. However... she had already been prosecuted for her actions and did a lot of jail time. Plus, you don't rat people out because you've been granted personal "immunity".
    - ngcc_hk 7y ago
      Guess be can only pay the fees and the other more general. Paying criminal fees is a bit no no.
    - antpls 7y ago
      In France, during the yellow vest protest, there was a similar online crowd-founding for a boxer who did fight with a cop and was sentenced to pay a fine. From what I remember, with some crowd-funding platforms, it is against Terms Of Service to rise money to pay sentence's fine. I do not remember if laws in France forbid it or if it's for other reasons. Here are some links about it : https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46794480 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46794480 https://www.scmp.com/sport/other-sport/article/2181379/former-french-boxing-champion-christophe-dettinger-receives https://www.scmp.com/sport/other-sport/article/2181379/forme...
mindslight 7y ago
Why would you want to throw away money paying an illegitimate debt? Donate to a trust that will take care of her instead.
- deleted 7y ago
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- ohyeshedid 7y ago
  I imagine it's going to be hard for her to find employment, and if she doesn't pay those fines she'll eventually end up in custody with even more fines.
  - wayoutthere 7y ago
    It's generally hard for trans people to find employment, period -- and I doubt she has meaningful job skills given her extended imprisonment. That said, trans people rally around our own so she shouldn't have trouble surviving; but whether or not that life is existentially fulfilling is another question... Also, I don't think it's legal to jail someone over unpaid debt (though many states will certainly try). They can do all sorts of things like garnish your wages, but federal courts don't throw people in jail for being poor.
    - ohyeshedid 7y ago
      While I definitely agree on the trans front, it's also hard for infamous people to find employment, and sometimes impossible for felons. Mixing all of those builds seemingly insurmountable hurdles. Son of Sam laws, and their derivatives, can also prevent her from monetizing her story easily, if at all. You can absolutely be jailed for not paying court ordered fines; that's often how the legal system in the US works for the poor and marginalized. It's a nasty cycle. Punishment fines also can't be discharged in bankruptcy, afaik.
      - sjwright 7y ago
        The USA: home of the “free” where you can rot in jail because you’re poor.
pera 7y ago
https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-chelsea-pay-her-court-fines https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-chelsea-pay-her-court-fines (https://twitter.com/SaveManning/status/1238272105180835841 https://twitter.com/SaveManning/status/1238272105180835841)

sp332 7y ago

Her lawyer (https://twitter.com/chasestrangio https://twitter.com/chasestrangio) retweeted a link to https://actionnetwork.org/fundraising/chelsea-manning-needs-legal-funds-to-resist-a-grand-jury-subpoena https://actionnetwork.org/fundraising/chelsea-manning-needs-...

einpoklum 7y ago
Important: That link is _not_ intended for donations towards paying the fine, but rather Ms. Manning's legal defense!
- sp332 7y ago
  Do you have more information about this? I saw this link posted a lot in response to this question, but no actual details.
  - einpoklum 7y ago
    Just follow the link... it says: > What will funds go toward specifically? > We will need legal funds for Chelsea’s legal fees, and legal costs such as court transcripts and travel, and commissary.
- laxd 7y ago
  Whats the difference? She needs x amounts of money.
  - ObsoleteNerd 7y ago
    The link above goes to paying her legal team. Her fine will come from her own funds separately. Your lawyers don't pay your fines, you do personally. Ideally, her legal team or someone would put up a separate fundraiser for her fine, that goes specifically to paying that. I for one would definitely donate.
    - pyuser583 7y ago
      Many fundraising platforms explicitly forbid raising funds to pay criminal fines.
      - freeone3000 7y ago
        We need a paypal link and a github pages site, not necessarily a kickstarter. She's a high profile enough case to not need a dedicated platform.
  - irjustin 7y ago
    Right, but the primary reason you would support Manning is because you believe the government is in the wrong and that the $256k is considered coercive because the government is using it to pressure her into doing something that isn't in her best interest in regards to a fair trial. So the goal would be to pay lawyer fees to fight the $256k of fees.
    - Godel_unicode 7y ago
      > doing something that isn't in her best interest in regards to a fair trial You're aware she's been granted immunity, right?
      - einpoklum 7y ago
        No she hasn't. That is, she was not made immune to incarceration and confiscation of money - which is what the federal state did to her. She was only immune from prosecution about what she says in her testimony. However... she had already been prosecuted for her actions and did a lot of jail time. Plus, you don't rat people out because you've been granted personal "immunity".
  - ngcc_hk 7y ago
    Guess be can only pay the fees and the other more general. Paying criminal fees is a bit no no.
  - antpls 7y ago
    In France, during the yellow vest protest, there was a similar online crowd-founding for a boxer who did fight with a cop and was sentenced to pay a fine. From what I remember, with some crowd-funding platforms, it is against Terms Of Service to rise money to pay sentence's fine. I do not remember if laws in France forbid it or if it's for other reasons. Here are some links about it : https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46794480 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46794480 https://www.scmp.com/sport/other-sport/article/2181379/former-french-boxing-champion-christophe-dettinger-receives https://www.scmp.com/sport/other-sport/article/2181379/forme...

mindslight 7y ago

Why would you want to throw away money paying an illegitimate debt? Donate to a trust that will take care of her instead.

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ohyeshedid 7y ago
I imagine it's going to be hard for her to find employment, and if she doesn't pay those fines she'll eventually end up in custody with even more fines.
- wayoutthere 7y ago
  It's generally hard for trans people to find employment, period -- and I doubt she has meaningful job skills given her extended imprisonment. That said, trans people rally around our own so she shouldn't have trouble surviving; but whether or not that life is existentially fulfilling is another question... Also, I don't think it's legal to jail someone over unpaid debt (though many states will certainly try). They can do all sorts of things like garnish your wages, but federal courts don't throw people in jail for being poor.
  - ohyeshedid 7y ago
    While I definitely agree on the trans front, it's also hard for infamous people to find employment, and sometimes impossible for felons. Mixing all of those builds seemingly insurmountable hurdles. Son of Sam laws, and their derivatives, can also prevent her from monetizing her story easily, if at all. You can absolutely be jailed for not paying court ordered fines; that's often how the legal system in the US works for the poor and marginalized. It's a nasty cycle. Punishment fines also can't be discharged in bankruptcy, afaik.
    - sjwright 7y ago
      The USA: home of the “free” where you can rot in jail because you’re poor.

pera 7y ago

https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-chelsea-pay-her-court-fines https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-chelsea-pay-her-court-fines (https://twitter.com/SaveManning/status/1238272105180835841 https://twitter.com/SaveManning/status/1238272105180835841)