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Based on the feedback from people's comments here, I realize we should do more to alleviate the privacy concerns. Curious on to know your thoughts about the fol

Based on the feedback from people's comments here, I realize we should do more to alleviate the privacy concerns. Curious on to know your thoughts about the following aspect: As I mentioned, we only store short video clips corresponding to events that the user created (we already discard the other motion clips that are deemed as irrelevant by our models.) We also allow users to delete the the alerts they have received and when they delete each alert, we permanently delete the corresponding video clips from our dbs... does that help alleviate your concerns?

frequentnapper 7y ago
I just want to say that it's good that you're listening to people here, but at the end of the day you have to go with what's pragmatic for your business.
01100011 7y ago
Not really. Having a device send video frames to the cloud basically kills the deal for me. If you did something to the video first... maybe. Let's say you train a model to process video. You come up with a network where the first few layers are fixed and they perform a non-reversible transform of the video into some sort of symbolic representation. I might sign up for that. I want to know that my video/audio feed isn't being used by a 3rd party, and that it isn't being used by you for something other than the intended purpose(i.e. to model my behavior to sell me things, to create profiles of my activity, etc). I understand that my first proposal doesn't actually address all of those concerns, but I am willing to trade privacy for convenience to a very limited degree. I'm basically working on something like this for myself. I have a Nvidia Jetson Nano that I'm trying to train to tell me when my garage door is open without my wife or I present, when my laundry is done, and whether or not the lights are on.
- mrafiee 7y ago
  That is pretty interesting but non-trivial. We'll have to think about it. Thanks for the suggestion. I should mention our business model is not based on monetizing users data. I'm interested to know more about your personal project. Feel free to shoot me an email if you are interested in having offline discussions and bouncing ideas off each other: rafiee at visualone dot tech
  - bradknowles 7y ago
    Just because that’s your model today, that doesn’t mean you won’t get bought by another company whose sole purpose is to use all assets for gathering as much private data as possible and using it for their own purposes. If you want to sell to people who actually care about privacy, then you have to build your systems so that it is impossible to abuse them or use them in any other way. Or, at the very least, it is extremely difficult to abuse them.
    - mrafiee 7y ago
      That is a valid point. We will think more deeply about these. Thanks for the feedback.

frequentnapper 7y ago

I just want to say that it's good that you're listening to people here, but at the end of the day you have to go with what's pragmatic for your business.

01100011 7y ago

Not really. Having a device send video frames to the cloud basically kills the deal for me. If you did something to the video first... maybe. Let's say you train a model to process video. You come up with a network where the first few layers are fixed and they perform a non-reversible transform of the video into some sort of symbolic representation. I might sign up for that. I want to know that my video/audio feed isn't being used by a 3rd party, and that it isn't being used by you for something other than the intended purpose(i.e. to model my behavior to sell me things, to create profiles of my activity, etc). I understand that my first proposal doesn't actually address all of those concerns, but I am willing to trade privacy for convenience to a very limited degree. I'm basically working on something like this for myself. I have a Nvidia Jetson Nano that I'm trying to train to tell me when my garage door is open without my wife or I present, when my laundry is done, and whether or not the lights are on.

mrafiee 7y ago
That is pretty interesting but non-trivial. We'll have to think about it. Thanks for the suggestion. I should mention our business model is not based on monetizing users data. I'm interested to know more about your personal project. Feel free to shoot me an email if you are interested in having offline discussions and bouncing ideas off each other: rafiee at visualone dot tech
- bradknowles 7y ago
  Just because that’s your model today, that doesn’t mean you won’t get bought by another company whose sole purpose is to use all assets for gathering as much private data as possible and using it for their own purposes. If you want to sell to people who actually care about privacy, then you have to build your systems so that it is impossible to abuse them or use them in any other way. Or, at the very least, it is extremely difficult to abuse them.
  - mrafiee 7y ago
    That is a valid point. We will think more deeply about these. Thanks for the feedback.