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On the contrary, nicotine in and of itself is quite harmful. It’s debatable if it causes cancer, but it definitely contributes to lung and heart disease, among

On the contrary, nicotine in and of itself is quite harmful. It’s debatable if it causes cancer, but it definitely contributes to lung and heart disease, among other things. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4363846/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4363846/

ohyeshedid 7y ago
Was just about to post this. Nicotine vapor seems to be better than smoking, assuming legit products, but nicotine is still poison. Consume a little too much nicotine, whether smoking or vaping; that sickish feeling can be the onset of nicotine poisoning. I've seen so many people stating basically the same as OP, claiming no data on vaping being harmful while completely ignoring the core substance that produces the addiction in the first place. I smoked a pack per day+ for 27 years, quit a few months back, still using low nicotine vape products when overstressed and struggling with urges. I'm not a vape hater, but I'm not ignorant to it being poison. It's always a good idea to have as much knowledge about your vices as possible.
- swiley 7y ago
  I know I’m being pedantic but nicotine vapor would be above 247 c. I think you’re meaning to compare the pure aerosol and the smoke that comes from burning it.
- MisterBastahrd 7y ago
  I am a cigar guy and have been for year. I also know what it's like when someone who doesn't smoke tries a strong cigar for the first time. I was once at my favorite cigar bar on Canal Street, talking with the owners as I usually did, when I saw some large men walk into the humidor. They were all WWE wrestlers. The owner asked me to go help em out, so I walked in with them and they asked me what was the strongest cigar they had. I paused and then asked them about their experience level with cigar smoking. All of them rarely ever smoked and for some it was a first time thing. One of the guys had recently "won" the world title and they wanted to celebrate his good fortune. I had to tell them that I wouldn't recommend the strongest to them, that's crazy if you haven't built a tolerance, and that if they felt nauseous, to stop smoking and eat something sweet. I instead pointed out a medium bodied, medium strength cigar and sent them on their way. About an hour later two of them were sitting at the bar eating butter mints out of a dish with their heads in their hands. Nicotine will mess you up.
  - eyegor 7y ago
    Even a "weak" cigar will mess you up if you don't smoke. If you don't have nicotine tolerance, smoking a cigar is akin to getting drunk. Stumbling around and slurring words.
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  - dasKrokodil 7y ago
    I don't know much about cigars, but I was always under the impression that cigar smokers do not inhale. Is the nicotine absorption in the mouth sufficiently efficient that smoking a cigar can make grown men nauseous?
    - MisterBastahrd 7y ago
      Your mouth absorbs a lot of nicotine, so even if you don't inhale (you will STILL inhale a little just by being in a cloud of smoke you just blew), you will likely get buzzed off of a cigar if you aren't used to smoking them.
JamesBarney 7y ago
It's more harmful than not doing it. But probably less harmful than bacon.
- tomnipotent 7y ago
  Smoking related disease kills thousands daily. Bacon does not. So no, not less harmful.
  - grandmczeb 7y ago
    Smoking != nicotine. The byproducts from combustion are extremely harmful regardless of the effects of nicotine.
dclusin 7y ago
It definitely interferes with the bodies healing process as well. Not a doctor so unsure of exactly how. Back when I was smoking I needed to have knee surgery and the doctor advised against nicotine in any form for that reason.
- im3w1l 7y ago
  I think it's because it cuts of blood flow to the extremities. And blood flow helps healing. But I'm not a doctor.
- tonyarkles 7y ago
  Funny, after both my appendectomy and my knee surgery, nurses suggested that smokers recover faster. Why? They’re way more motivated to get up and out of bed to go for a walk on a regular basis!
rhizome 7y ago
That report doesn't say what you describe, and neither do any others I could find. What it does describe are lung effects, first in the form of "tracheal deviation," which to my layperson's eye appears to be a side to side pushing of the esophagus based on different lung volumes, air in the chest, or some other treatable disorders, i.e. fixable and not permanent damage.[1] There is also the decrease in elastin in the aveoli, which are the little balloons that comprise most of your lung function. They have a goo lining them which includes something called elastin, which helps it be a balloon (emphysema is [partially] alveoli losing this elasticity). Nicotine helps decrease its, uh, "presence," but by itself my sense is that it's possibly reversible, definitely stoppable, and at any rate very common from a variety of causes.[2] Most of the scholarship about this problem is focused on it (elastin deficiencies) being common in premature babies and early lung development. There are also "other respiratory disorders," which from the several links and studies I just read, are thinly defined if at all[3] Negative coronary effects appear to be exacerbation of existing problems, particularly something called "myocardial ischemia," which seems to be what doctors call "the heart doesn't get enough blood when your arteries are already clogged." I figure this is a result of well-known vasoconstricting properties, which, y'know, a lot of substances have (some even unregulated).[4] A side effect of this is that if you do have a blockage, the increased pressure from the vasoconstriction can help dislodge it, the result likely being a heart attack. This is a problem with fried foods, too. Last but not least: https://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/newsitem.aspx?RecordID=24952 https://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/newsitem.aspx?Re... 1. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4363846/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4363846/ 2. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3929318/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3929318/ 3. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/12/16/788540191/vaping-nicotine-linked-to-increased-risk-of-chronic-lung-disease https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/12/16/7885401... 4. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/myocardial-ischemia/symptoms-causes/syc-20375417 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/myocardial-is...

ohyeshedid 7y ago

Was just about to post this. Nicotine vapor seems to be better than smoking, assuming legit products, but nicotine is still poison. Consume a little too much nicotine, whether smoking or vaping; that sickish feeling can be the onset of nicotine poisoning. I've seen so many people stating basically the same as OP, claiming no data on vaping being harmful while completely ignoring the core substance that produces the addiction in the first place. I smoked a pack per day+ for 27 years, quit a few months back, still using low nicotine vape products when overstressed and struggling with urges. I'm not a vape hater, but I'm not ignorant to it being poison. It's always a good idea to have as much knowledge about your vices as possible.

swiley 7y ago
I know I’m being pedantic but nicotine vapor would be above 247 c. I think you’re meaning to compare the pure aerosol and the smoke that comes from burning it.
MisterBastahrd 7y ago
I am a cigar guy and have been for year. I also know what it's like when someone who doesn't smoke tries a strong cigar for the first time. I was once at my favorite cigar bar on Canal Street, talking with the owners as I usually did, when I saw some large men walk into the humidor. They were all WWE wrestlers. The owner asked me to go help em out, so I walked in with them and they asked me what was the strongest cigar they had. I paused and then asked them about their experience level with cigar smoking. All of them rarely ever smoked and for some it was a first time thing. One of the guys had recently "won" the world title and they wanted to celebrate his good fortune. I had to tell them that I wouldn't recommend the strongest to them, that's crazy if you haven't built a tolerance, and that if they felt nauseous, to stop smoking and eat something sweet. I instead pointed out a medium bodied, medium strength cigar and sent them on their way. About an hour later two of them were sitting at the bar eating butter mints out of a dish with their heads in their hands. Nicotine will mess you up.
- eyegor 7y ago
  Even a "weak" cigar will mess you up if you don't smoke. If you don't have nicotine tolerance, smoking a cigar is akin to getting drunk. Stumbling around and slurring words.
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- dasKrokodil 7y ago
  I don't know much about cigars, but I was always under the impression that cigar smokers do not inhale. Is the nicotine absorption in the mouth sufficiently efficient that smoking a cigar can make grown men nauseous?
  - MisterBastahrd 7y ago
    Your mouth absorbs a lot of nicotine, so even if you don't inhale (you will STILL inhale a little just by being in a cloud of smoke you just blew), you will likely get buzzed off of a cigar if you aren't used to smoking them.

JamesBarney 7y ago

It's more harmful than not doing it. But probably less harmful than bacon.

tomnipotent 7y ago
Smoking related disease kills thousands daily. Bacon does not. So no, not less harmful.
- grandmczeb 7y ago
  Smoking != nicotine. The byproducts from combustion are extremely harmful regardless of the effects of nicotine.

dclusin 7y ago

It definitely interferes with the bodies healing process as well. Not a doctor so unsure of exactly how. Back when I was smoking I needed to have knee surgery and the doctor advised against nicotine in any form for that reason.

im3w1l 7y ago
I think it's because it cuts of blood flow to the extremities. And blood flow helps healing. But I'm not a doctor.
tonyarkles 7y ago
Funny, after both my appendectomy and my knee surgery, nurses suggested that smokers recover faster. Why? They’re way more motivated to get up and out of bed to go for a walk on a regular basis!

rhizome 7y ago

That report doesn't say what you describe, and neither do any others I could find. What it does describe are lung effects, first in the form of "tracheal deviation," which to my layperson's eye appears to be a side to side pushing of the esophagus based on different lung volumes, air in the chest, or some other treatable disorders, i.e. fixable and not permanent damage.[1] There is also the decrease in elastin in the aveoli, which are the little balloons that comprise most of your lung function. They have a goo lining them which includes something called elastin, which helps it be a balloon (emphysema is [partially] alveoli losing this elasticity). Nicotine helps decrease its, uh, "presence," but by itself my sense is that it's possibly reversible, definitely stoppable, and at any rate very common from a variety of causes.[2] Most of the scholarship about this problem is focused on it (elastin deficiencies) being common in premature babies and early lung development. There are also "other respiratory disorders," which from the several links and studies I just read, are thinly defined if at all[3] Negative coronary effects appear to be exacerbation of existing problems, particularly something called "myocardial ischemia," which seems to be what doctors call "the heart doesn't get enough blood when your arteries are already clogged." I figure this is a result of well-known vasoconstricting properties, which, y'know, a lot of substances have (some even unregulated).[4] A side effect of this is that if you do have a blockage, the increased pressure from the vasoconstriction can help dislodge it, the result likely being a heart attack. This is a problem with fried foods, too. Last but not least: https://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/newsitem.aspx?RecordID=24952 https://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/newsitem.aspx?Re... 1. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4363846/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4363846/ 2. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3929318/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3929318/ 3. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/12/16/788540191/vaping-nicotine-linked-to-increased-risk-of-chronic-lung-disease https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/12/16/7885401... 4. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/myocardial-ischemia/symptoms-causes/syc-20375417 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/myocardial-is...