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Well, driving in SF is also pretty painful, honestly. That definitely impacts things. I think SF still has more rail than Dublin though, right? When I visited

Well, driving in SF is also pretty painful, honestly. That definitely impacts things. I think SF still has more rail than Dublin though, right? When I visited Dublin seemed like it had almost nothing, even less than SF.

Rebelgecko 7y ago
I think the DART and Luas trains are roughly equivalent to BART. However when I was in Dublin as a tourist I was impressed with how thorough their bus network was. Part of it was that there were lots of lines and stops, but the buses were also fairly frequent. Getting rid of the "Oops, I missed my bus by 5 seconds so I have to wait 30 minutes for the next one" factor probably does a lot to increase ridership.
- TulliusCicero 7y ago
  Coming from Munich, I was deeply disappointed by Dublin's buses. Munich's buses are actually fairly reliable, Dublin's bus timetables don't even qualify as suggestions. Often buses just wouldn't show up, period. We'd have to give up and find some other entirely different bus line going in the same general direction.
rsynnott 7y ago
Yeah, Dublin has fairly minimal rail and tram systems, though I found SF's fairly unusable when I was there. SF's bus system seemed particularly bad, though. In many/most cases, if it was suggesting walking for 45 minutes, Google Maps couldn't do better with a public transport suggestion. This would rarely be the case in Dublin, though it does happen. It would almost never be the case in a city with actually good public transportation.
- TulliusCicero 7y ago
  Oh I definitely wouldn't argue that SF's transit system is good. NYC's is borderline good, everything else in the US doesn't qualify for the word. I'd put my current city, Munich, at a similar level of good-ness to NYC, though it's more impressive, having a smaller population and all. If the S-Bahn didn't have so many problems in the winter, I'd not hesitate to call it good. There'd still be plenty of room for improvement, though.
- inferiorhuman 7y ago
  In many/most cases, if it was suggesting walking for 45 minutes It who? A forty-five minute walk in San Francisco will take you nearly halfway across town (assuming you can walk a 15 minute mile). My break even time was closer to 20 minutes than 45 (if I didn't see a train coming I'd just walk 20 minutes to the subway). Muni has pretty high coverage standards that allow you to get pretty much within 1/8 mile of anywhere in the city during most hours of the day. The cost is that the density of stops makes it difficult to speed up service.

Rebelgecko 7y ago

I think the DART and Luas trains are roughly equivalent to BART. However when I was in Dublin as a tourist I was impressed with how thorough their bus network was. Part of it was that there were lots of lines and stops, but the buses were also fairly frequent. Getting rid of the "Oops, I missed my bus by 5 seconds so I have to wait 30 minutes for the next one" factor probably does a lot to increase ridership.

TulliusCicero 7y ago
Coming from Munich, I was deeply disappointed by Dublin's buses. Munich's buses are actually fairly reliable, Dublin's bus timetables don't even qualify as suggestions. Often buses just wouldn't show up, period. We'd have to give up and find some other entirely different bus line going in the same general direction.

rsynnott 7y ago

Yeah, Dublin has fairly minimal rail and tram systems, though I found SF's fairly unusable when I was there. SF's bus system seemed particularly bad, though. In many/most cases, if it was suggesting walking for 45 minutes, Google Maps couldn't do better with a public transport suggestion. This would rarely be the case in Dublin, though it does happen. It would almost never be the case in a city with actually good public transportation.

TulliusCicero 7y ago
Oh I definitely wouldn't argue that SF's transit system is good. NYC's is borderline good, everything else in the US doesn't qualify for the word. I'd put my current city, Munich, at a similar level of good-ness to NYC, though it's more impressive, having a smaller population and all. If the S-Bahn didn't have so many problems in the winter, I'd not hesitate to call it good. There'd still be plenty of room for improvement, though.
inferiorhuman 7y ago
In many/most cases, if it was suggesting walking for 45 minutes It who? A forty-five minute walk in San Francisco will take you nearly halfway across town (assuming you can walk a 15 minute mile). My break even time was closer to 20 minutes than 45 (if I didn't see a train coming I'd just walk 20 minutes to the subway). Muni has pretty high coverage standards that allow you to get pretty much within 1/8 mile of anywhere in the city during most hours of the day. The cost is that the density of stops makes it difficult to speed up service.