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I don't believe we'll ever succeed in dealing with climate change. It's going to kill us all and the people in power will refuse to accept responsibility the wh

I don't believe we'll ever succeed in dealing with climate change. It's going to kill us all and the people in power will refuse to accept responsibility the whole while. Happy to be proven wrong!

geddy 7y ago
Agreed, and also I hope to be proven wrong. People don't want to change, by nature. Humans are terribly flawed. The last two people alive on earth will be pointing fingers at each other moments before they perish.
- Hamuko 7y ago
  >The last two people alive on earth will be pointing fingers at each other moments before they perish. Doesn't really work with the fact that there's about 7.7 billion people.
sturza 7y ago
but it will increase shareholder value.
kcindric 7y ago
I agree, but I'm interested to see will we see the fall during our generation or the next one will experience it. Bringing children to this world seems selfish.
- dumbfoundded 7y ago
  I actually believe we're in one of the best times to bring children into this world. Child mortality has dramatically fallen. We just live in an age where we're hyper-aware of our actions. I believe if we get out of an emergency, "we're all going to die" mindset, we may actually have a chance.
  - rnd0 7y ago
    Child mortality is the least of it, however. You have to consider what the world is going to be like in 20,30 and 40 years from now and factor that into your decision. You have to consider what you'd be asking them to live through. Bringing children into this world isn't doing them any favors; at all.
    - dumbfoundded 7y ago
      Children use to be born with a high chance of killing their moms during birth. Then half of them wouldn't make it to 18. Then could probably expect to live and work as a farmer under the control of someone else at the threat of violence for their whole life. Famine, disease, and many other unimaginable problems plagued their lives. Things are literally the best they've ever been. They could get much worse but any reasonable prediction still puts us ahead of the expected life of someone in the 19th century. If you don't want to have children, that's your choice. You don't have to justify it by putting your morality on other people.
nixpulvis 7y ago
Dylan Thomas once wrote this appropriate poem: --- Do not go gentle into that good night, Old age should burn and rave at close of day; Rage, rage against the dying of the light. Though wise men at their end know dark is right, Because their words had forked no lightning they Do not go gentle into that good night. Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay, Rage, rage against the dying of the light. Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight, And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way, Do not go gentle into that good night. Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay, Rage, rage against the dying of the light. And you, my father, there on the sad height, Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray. Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light. --- (EDIT: HN formatting doesn't like poems)
hirundo 7y ago
It's not going to decimate us or kill half of us or most of us, it's going to kill us all? What scenarios get us from here to there, such that nobody can adapt to the changes? Is this hyperbole or do you really think that human extinction is the probable result of AGW?
- geddy 7y ago
  It's an interesting thought. Mass displacement will be a huge issue though. While we do have plenty of landmass in theory, migration of major cities is just.. I cannot possibly fathom how that could ever be organized. We'd panic, loot grocery stores, rob pharmacies, etc. I mean look at what this pandemic has done. You can't even buy cans of beans or toilet paper! My local store is out of bags of dry rice. Of _rice_. I don't recall where I heard it but before I knew it was a quote, I used to say this all the time: humanity is three square meals away from total annihilation. One day without food and humans will revert right back to our caveman "attack other human, take food" lizard brains. I definitely went a little off topic from your original post but, "adapt to the changes" isn't honestly something I can fathom happening. I don't know where you live - be it a city or suburbs or otherwise - but think about 30 million people showing up and tell me that doesn't end in a massive disaster.
  - hirundo 7y ago
    Massive disaster can be a huge distance from human extinction. A 1% die off is a massive disaster but even a 99% megadeath is 75 million people short of killing us all. I haven't seen any likely AGW scenarios that get us close to that. Maybe someone could point me that way.
    - CiPHPerCoder 7y ago
      I was using the Planet Venus as a historical precedent of what happens to a planet in our solar system in the conditions of a runaway greenhouse gas effect when I wrote that. I'm a cryptography-focused security engineer, not a climate scientist.
AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y ago
Don't put this on the people in power, it's people in general who refuse to accept responsibility or change.
- CiPHPerCoder 7y ago
  Power comes with responsibility that the powerless do not necessarily assume.
- rnd0 7y ago
  People in power do and believe what they are told to do and believe. For evidence see the iraq war, the war on terror, etc. It's on the people in power. If they wanted, they could use the resources at their disposal (media, etc) to change people's opinions almost over-night. The way they did after 9/11. It is absolutely on them; and on no one else.
rnd0 7y ago
Agreed, particularly in the U.S. It's very unlikely that Biden will take significantly more steps to deal with climate change than Trump will. The political will to deal with climate change simply isn't there; it would piss off too many lobbyists.

I don't believe we'll ever succeed in dealing with climate change. It's going to kill us all and the people in power will refuse to accept responsibility the whole while. Happy to be proven wrong!

geddy 7y ago

Agreed, and also I hope to be proven wrong. People don't want to change, by nature. Humans are terribly flawed. The last two people alive on earth will be pointing fingers at each other moments before they perish.

Hamuko 7y ago
>The last two people alive on earth will be pointing fingers at each other moments before they perish. Doesn't really work with the fact that there's about 7.7 billion people.

sturza 7y ago

but it will increase shareholder value.

kcindric 7y ago

I agree, but I'm interested to see will we see the fall during our generation or the next one will experience it. Bringing children to this world seems selfish.

dumbfoundded 7y ago
I actually believe we're in one of the best times to bring children into this world. Child mortality has dramatically fallen. We just live in an age where we're hyper-aware of our actions. I believe if we get out of an emergency, "we're all going to die" mindset, we may actually have a chance.
- rnd0 7y ago
  Child mortality is the least of it, however. You have to consider what the world is going to be like in 20,30 and 40 years from now and factor that into your decision. You have to consider what you'd be asking them to live through. Bringing children into this world isn't doing them any favors; at all.
  - dumbfoundded 7y ago
    Children use to be born with a high chance of killing their moms during birth. Then half of them wouldn't make it to 18. Then could probably expect to live and work as a farmer under the control of someone else at the threat of violence for their whole life. Famine, disease, and many other unimaginable problems plagued their lives. Things are literally the best they've ever been. They could get much worse but any reasonable prediction still puts us ahead of the expected life of someone in the 19th century. If you don't want to have children, that's your choice. You don't have to justify it by putting your morality on other people.

nixpulvis 7y ago

Dylan Thomas once wrote this appropriate poem: --- Do not go gentle into that good night, Old age should burn and rave at close of day; Rage, rage against the dying of the light. Though wise men at their end know dark is right, Because their words had forked no lightning they Do not go gentle into that good night. Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay, Rage, rage against the dying of the light. Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight, And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way, Do not go gentle into that good night. Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay, Rage, rage against the dying of the light. And you, my father, there on the sad height, Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray. Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light. --- (EDIT: HN formatting doesn't like poems)

hirundo 7y ago

It's not going to decimate us or kill half of us or most of us, it's going to kill us all? What scenarios get us from here to there, such that nobody can adapt to the changes? Is this hyperbole or do you really think that human extinction is the probable result of AGW?

geddy 7y ago
It's an interesting thought. Mass displacement will be a huge issue though. While we do have plenty of landmass in theory, migration of major cities is just.. I cannot possibly fathom how that could ever be organized. We'd panic, loot grocery stores, rob pharmacies, etc. I mean look at what this pandemic has done. You can't even buy cans of beans or toilet paper! My local store is out of bags of dry rice. Of _rice_. I don't recall where I heard it but before I knew it was a quote, I used to say this all the time: humanity is three square meals away from total annihilation. One day without food and humans will revert right back to our caveman "attack other human, take food" lizard brains. I definitely went a little off topic from your original post but, "adapt to the changes" isn't honestly something I can fathom happening. I don't know where you live - be it a city or suburbs or otherwise - but think about 30 million people showing up and tell me that doesn't end in a massive disaster.
- hirundo 7y ago
  Massive disaster can be a huge distance from human extinction. A 1% die off is a massive disaster but even a 99% megadeath is 75 million people short of killing us all. I haven't seen any likely AGW scenarios that get us close to that. Maybe someone could point me that way.
  - CiPHPerCoder 7y ago
    I was using the Planet Venus as a historical precedent of what happens to a planet in our solar system in the conditions of a runaway greenhouse gas effect when I wrote that. I'm a cryptography-focused security engineer, not a climate scientist.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y ago

Don't put this on the people in power, it's people in general who refuse to accept responsibility or change.

CiPHPerCoder 7y ago
Power comes with responsibility that the powerless do not necessarily assume.
rnd0 7y ago
People in power do and believe what they are told to do and believe. For evidence see the iraq war, the war on terror, etc. It's on the people in power. If they wanted, they could use the resources at their disposal (media, etc) to change people's opinions almost over-night. The way they did after 9/11. It is absolutely on them; and on no one else.

rnd0 7y ago

Agreed, particularly in the U.S. It's very unlikely that Biden will take significantly more steps to deal with climate change than Trump will. The political will to deal with climate change simply isn't there; it would piss off too many lobbyists.