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Frankly we need to be revamping how we handle travel security, specially the TSA. Pat downs and dirty shared bins are certainly vectors for transmission, and sh

by ch4s3 7y ago

Frankly we need to be revamping how we handle travel security, specially the TSA. Pat downs and dirty shared bins are certainly vectors for transmission, and should stop. We should probably also be checking for fever and diverting sick travelers. The no cost tests are great, but we need to get over our aversion to the mediocre foreign test kits and additionally ramp up supply of kits. Free is useless if there’s a backlog and large lag time for testing.

majos 7y ago
I’m surprised by the lack of temperature screening, especially in airports. It doesn’t seem hard to implement. We can at least strongly encourage individuals with fevers to self-quarantine and monitor. Baseless conjecture, but I think instruction from a government envoy to self-quarantine based on a temperature reading is more likely to work on people than hoping they check and decide on their own.
- ch4s3 7y ago
  I think unfortunately the US federal government doesn't have the capability to right size responses, or to move very quickly right now. I have no clue what the fix is.
  - crooked-v 7y ago
    Competent, predictable leadership in the executive branch would be a start.
    - ch4s3 7y ago
      I guess, but that doesn't do anything to fix congress which controls spending, or bureaucratic morass among the day to day functionaries in government. Which is to say that I believe Americans writ general expect far too much from the executive.
      - crooked-v 7y ago
        While that's true, a competent Presidency still would have benefited people in a variety of ways, such as realistic centralized messaging about the risks of the disease and how to prepare for it, and better oversight and support of test kit distribution. And, you know, not literally calling it a 'Democratic hoax' in the midst of people in the US being infected by the disease.
        ch4s3 7y ago
        I agree that messaging would be better. I guess I'm primarily concerned that our government has arrived at a place where it's systemically unable to adequately form consensus and take action quickly.
mortenjorck 7y ago
> Pat downs and dirty shared bins are certainly vectors for transmission, and should stop. At very, very least, there needs to be a mandate that shoes never go in the bins. (Or just end the shoe part of security theater, but I'd like a pony too.) The last security line I went through was requiring them to go in the bins, and seeing people stuff the shoes they've been tramping around the city all week in next to their scarves was vaguely nauseating.
- kube-system 7y ago
  Sign up for GE/PreCheck and that can be a reality.
  - ch4s3 7y ago
    That doesn't solve the PUBLIC health problem where other people being subjected to this can effect you later.
- scrumbledober 7y ago
  I flew in January from SJC to John Wayne (and back) and they told us to keep our shoes on.
wyldfire 7y ago
China and South Korea are the best models for controlling the spread of Covid-19. 75-80% of all infections in China were in family clusters. Eliminating home isolations had a big impact there. Travel screening could help, lots of these things are independent and have cumulative benefit. But identifying and isolating the infectious is far and away the best way to limit the spread.
- ch4s3 7y ago
  I agree, but we probably can't have local party officials stand outside of everyone's homes and test them every time they come back. We could and should set up mobile testing facilities.
  - wyldfire 7y ago
    > we probably can't have local party officials stand outside of everyone's homes and test them every time they come back. Yeah, we can't have a lot of China's solutions here at all. But we could have state or county officials set up voluntary fever screenings and have them relay the criticality of the value of isolation limiting the spread of the disease. > We could and should set up mobile testing facilities. Colorado has some now. Other states should follow their lead. Unfortunately AFAICT it only includes a "get your previously-ordered-by-a-physician test here". Which means that the potentially infectious patient had to visit a clinic with other patients who came for other reasons. Better still would be to (like SK) staff these mobile clinics with physicians who can take a history, rule out influenza/bacterial pneumonia and order tests like a CT if necessary.
    - ch4s3 7y ago
      Yeah, I agree. We need distributed solutions with a lot of layers. - probably mandate some paid leave for the next X months federally - local testing centers - quarantine at state and local levels when there are confirmed cases (probably the hardest thing) - incentivize private production of test kits, medical supplies, cleaning supplies, etc - checking travelers
mardifoufs 7y ago
At this point those measures won't help at all when it comes to travel. Temperature scanners and protective medical gear should instead be used to deal with the contagion inside cities, counties etc. Trying to limit international/interstate spread just doesn't matter as much, no?
- ch4s3 7y ago
  I'd say it matters a lot for containing and delaying the spread to new states.
anigbrowl 7y ago
We should rethink our entire security culture, which has long been unmoored from reality. Why is (most) everyone still expected to take their shoes off in airports, because one inept terrorist attempted to detonate a bomb in his shoes back in 2001? Likewise, things like public toilets in subway stations have been 'temporarily closed' for nearly 20 years. We went from rational levels of elevated caution and prudence to paranoia and created a surveillance society, creating a false sense of security against other hazards. Now we're in a state of institutional and fiscal paralysis because we've run into a conflict with nature, in which social theater and abstractions like nationality or sovereignty are meaningless. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Reid#Preparation_for_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Reid#Preparation_for_b...

by ch4s3 7y ago

majos 7y ago

I’m surprised by the lack of temperature screening, especially in airports. It doesn’t seem hard to implement. We can at least strongly encourage individuals with fevers to self-quarantine and monitor. Baseless conjecture, but I think instruction from a government envoy to self-quarantine based on a temperature reading is more likely to work on people than hoping they check and decide on their own.

ch4s3 7y ago
I think unfortunately the US federal government doesn't have the capability to right size responses, or to move very quickly right now. I have no clue what the fix is.
- crooked-v 7y ago
  Competent, predictable leadership in the executive branch would be a start.
  - ch4s3 7y ago
    I guess, but that doesn't do anything to fix congress which controls spending, or bureaucratic morass among the day to day functionaries in government. Which is to say that I believe Americans writ general expect far too much from the executive.
    - crooked-v 7y ago
      While that's true, a competent Presidency still would have benefited people in a variety of ways, such as realistic centralized messaging about the risks of the disease and how to prepare for it, and better oversight and support of test kit distribution. And, you know, not literally calling it a 'Democratic hoax' in the midst of people in the US being infected by the disease.
      - ch4s3 7y ago
        I agree that messaging would be better. I guess I'm primarily concerned that our government has arrived at a place where it's systemically unable to adequately form consensus and take action quickly.

mortenjorck 7y ago

> Pat downs and dirty shared bins are certainly vectors for transmission, and should stop. At very, very least, there needs to be a mandate that shoes never go in the bins. (Or just end the shoe part of security theater, but I'd like a pony too.) The last security line I went through was requiring them to go in the bins, and seeing people stuff the shoes they've been tramping around the city all week in next to their scarves was vaguely nauseating.

kube-system 7y ago
Sign up for GE/PreCheck and that can be a reality.
- ch4s3 7y ago
  That doesn't solve the PUBLIC health problem where other people being subjected to this can effect you later.
scrumbledober 7y ago
I flew in January from SJC to John Wayne (and back) and they told us to keep our shoes on.

wyldfire 7y ago

China and South Korea are the best models for controlling the spread of Covid-19. 75-80% of all infections in China were in family clusters. Eliminating home isolations had a big impact there. Travel screening could help, lots of these things are independent and have cumulative benefit. But identifying and isolating the infectious is far and away the best way to limit the spread.

ch4s3 7y ago
I agree, but we probably can't have local party officials stand outside of everyone's homes and test them every time they come back. We could and should set up mobile testing facilities.
- wyldfire 7y ago
  > we probably can't have local party officials stand outside of everyone's homes and test them every time they come back. Yeah, we can't have a lot of China's solutions here at all. But we could have state or county officials set up voluntary fever screenings and have them relay the criticality of the value of isolation limiting the spread of the disease. > We could and should set up mobile testing facilities. Colorado has some now. Other states should follow their lead. Unfortunately AFAICT it only includes a "get your previously-ordered-by-a-physician test here". Which means that the potentially infectious patient had to visit a clinic with other patients who came for other reasons. Better still would be to (like SK) staff these mobile clinics with physicians who can take a history, rule out influenza/bacterial pneumonia and order tests like a CT if necessary.
  - ch4s3 7y ago
    Yeah, I agree. We need distributed solutions with a lot of layers. - probably mandate some paid leave for the next X months federally - local testing centers - quarantine at state and local levels when there are confirmed cases (probably the hardest thing) - incentivize private production of test kits, medical supplies, cleaning supplies, etc - checking travelers

mardifoufs 7y ago

At this point those measures won't help at all when it comes to travel. Temperature scanners and protective medical gear should instead be used to deal with the contagion inside cities, counties etc. Trying to limit international/interstate spread just doesn't matter as much, no?

ch4s3 7y ago
I'd say it matters a lot for containing and delaying the spread to new states.

anigbrowl 7y ago

We should rethink our entire security culture, which has long been unmoored from reality. Why is (most) everyone still expected to take their shoes off in airports, because one inept terrorist attempted to detonate a bomb in his shoes back in 2001? Likewise, things like public toilets in subway stations have been 'temporarily closed' for nearly 20 years. We went from rational levels of elevated caution and prudence to paranoia and created a surveillance society, creating a false sense of security against other hazards. Now we're in a state of institutional and fiscal paralysis because we've run into a conflict with nature, in which social theater and abstractions like nationality or sovereignty are meaningless. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Reid#Preparation_for_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Reid#Preparation_for_b...