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Strong agree. Stiens;Gate is the only time traveller story that I know that establishes rules for time travel early on and actually sticks to these rules till

Strong agree. Stiens;Gate is the only time traveller story that I know that establishes rules for time travel early on and actually sticks to these rules till the end.

jbay808 7y ago
Was it the end, or... just the beginning?!
time0ut 7y ago
You might enjoy the movie Primer [0]. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_HHnXeMWT0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_HHnXeMWT0
- gamegoblin 7y ago
  Also, the German netflix show 'Dark' does time travel in a much more satisfying way than the vast majority. Watch it in German with subtitles, the dub is weird.
  - tetris11 7y ago
    Dark suffers from the same ambiguity as Lost though, where you given the writers the benefit of the doubt that there's an overarching rational sequence of events, but it's also equally likely that the writers are just making it up as they go along.
    - solstice 7y ago
      Strongly agree, especially when watching season 2
      - mindcrime 7y ago
        True, and yet I'm still sitting here champing at the bit for Season 3.
- as1mov 7y ago
  Just a heads up, the video is blocked everywhere except USA/Canada. Here's a link to the trailer if anyone is interested[0]. It's a fantastic movie by the way, a definite watch if you're interested in hard sci-fi. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vD-yj9o664& https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vD-yj9o664&
  - time0ut 7y ago
    Ah, that is too bad about it being blocked. It is an incredible movie. I've watched it a few times over the years and always find something new.
  - mirimir 7y ago
    There's also this explanation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sf9fChyRoc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sf9fChyRoc
laumars 7y ago
I remember being impressed with how rigidly the 90s show 'Crime Traveller' stuck to the rules it outlined of time travel. Aside from that, it wasn't a great show (only 1 series made) and watching the first episode[1] back I can safely say it's not aged well either. But it's one show that has always stuck in my memory for when the writers actually took the theory of time travel seriously. [0] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118292/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118292/ [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHpuzsJMaUg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHpuzsJMaUg
dragontamer 7y ago
> Stiens;Gate is the only time traveller story that I know that establishes rules for time travel early on and actually sticks to these rules till the end. There's also Primer, but Stein's gate is better than that movie.
- as1mov 7y ago
  I wouldn't really call it better, they operate on different scales. Primer is much less bombastic and doggedly grounded to reality, which is really an anomaly in sci-fi media. Failure of the protagonists in Primer does not mean a World War 3 will happen or the planet will be destroyed, the biggest stake in the movie is one of the characters getting shot at their birthday party by an ex. Personally I find this much more refreshing than the usual the-world-will-collapse scenarios. It's easily one of my favorite films, just because of how different it is than it's ilk, I've yet to find something like it again.
  - zitterbewegung 7y ago
    Primer is a movie that while it has a time machine it really explores the personal and social implications and complications of time travel. Using time travel as a plot device versus using time travel to explore part of our humanity is a mark of great science fiction.
    - tetris11 7y ago
      I just wish the plot was more linear, and not needlessly patched together memento style so that you dont have to watch it more than once.
      - mirimir 7y ago
        I've probably watched it over ten times, and sections of it far more. And I still don't quite understand the storyline. In particular, what's up with that hangar full of troops and equipment at the "end"?
hyperpallium 7y ago
Ted Chiang's The Merchant and the Alchemist's Gate (short story)
EthanHeilman 7y ago
"The Man Who Folded Himself"[0] is one of the best time travel books. It won both the Nebula and the Hugo. While it has consistent rules about time travel, figuring out what exactly those rules are is half the fun of the book. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Folded_Himself https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Folded_Himself
The_suffocated 7y ago
Of all time travel stories I know, the one with the most consistent and logical view on time travel isn't Steins;Gate, but Murai Nikki (Future Diary). IMHO, Steins;Gate hasn't clarified what time travel really represents. When one travels from one world line to another, does the previous world line still exist? Is time travel a travel between parallel universes, a complete rewrite of history in the _same_ world, or something else? In the first Steins;Gate anime, it seems that time travel means a rewrite of history (i.e. the conventional type of time travel in science fictions), but in Steins;Gate 0, time travel seems more like jumping between parallel universes.

Strong agree. Stiens;Gate is the only time traveller story that I know that establishes rules for time travel early on and actually sticks to these rules till the end.

jbay808 7y ago

Was it the end, or... just the beginning?!

time0ut 7y ago

You might enjoy the movie Primer [0]. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_HHnXeMWT0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_HHnXeMWT0

gamegoblin 7y ago
Also, the German netflix show 'Dark' does time travel in a much more satisfying way than the vast majority. Watch it in German with subtitles, the dub is weird.
- tetris11 7y ago
  Dark suffers from the same ambiguity as Lost though, where you given the writers the benefit of the doubt that there's an overarching rational sequence of events, but it's also equally likely that the writers are just making it up as they go along.
  - solstice 7y ago
    Strongly agree, especially when watching season 2
    - mindcrime 7y ago
      True, and yet I'm still sitting here champing at the bit for Season 3.
as1mov 7y ago
Just a heads up, the video is blocked everywhere except USA/Canada. Here's a link to the trailer if anyone is interested[0]. It's a fantastic movie by the way, a definite watch if you're interested in hard sci-fi. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vD-yj9o664& https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vD-yj9o664&
- time0ut 7y ago
  Ah, that is too bad about it being blocked. It is an incredible movie. I've watched it a few times over the years and always find something new.
- mirimir 7y ago
  There's also this explanation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sf9fChyRoc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sf9fChyRoc

laumars 7y ago

I remember being impressed with how rigidly the 90s show 'Crime Traveller' stuck to the rules it outlined of time travel. Aside from that, it wasn't a great show (only 1 series made) and watching the first episode[1] back I can safely say it's not aged well either. But it's one show that has always stuck in my memory for when the writers actually took the theory of time travel seriously. [0] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118292/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118292/ [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHpuzsJMaUg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHpuzsJMaUg

dragontamer 7y ago

> Stiens;Gate is the only time traveller story that I know that establishes rules for time travel early on and actually sticks to these rules till the end. There's also Primer, but Stein's gate is better than that movie.

as1mov 7y ago
I wouldn't really call it better, they operate on different scales. Primer is much less bombastic and doggedly grounded to reality, which is really an anomaly in sci-fi media. Failure of the protagonists in Primer does not mean a World War 3 will happen or the planet will be destroyed, the biggest stake in the movie is one of the characters getting shot at their birthday party by an ex. Personally I find this much more refreshing than the usual the-world-will-collapse scenarios. It's easily one of my favorite films, just because of how different it is than it's ilk, I've yet to find something like it again.
- zitterbewegung 7y ago
  Primer is a movie that while it has a time machine it really explores the personal and social implications and complications of time travel. Using time travel as a plot device versus using time travel to explore part of our humanity is a mark of great science fiction.
  - tetris11 7y ago
    I just wish the plot was more linear, and not needlessly patched together memento style so that you dont have to watch it more than once.
    - mirimir 7y ago
      I've probably watched it over ten times, and sections of it far more. And I still don't quite understand the storyline. In particular, what's up with that hangar full of troops and equipment at the "end"?

hyperpallium 7y ago

Ted Chiang's The Merchant and the Alchemist's Gate (short story)

EthanHeilman 7y ago

"The Man Who Folded Himself"[0] is one of the best time travel books. It won both the Nebula and the Hugo. While it has consistent rules about time travel, figuring out what exactly those rules are is half the fun of the book. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Folded_Himself https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Folded_Himself

The_suffocated 7y ago

Of all time travel stories I know, the one with the most consistent and logical view on time travel isn't Steins;Gate, but Murai Nikki (Future Diary). IMHO, Steins;Gate hasn't clarified what time travel really represents. When one travels from one world line to another, does the previous world line still exist? Is time travel a travel between parallel universes, a complete rewrite of history in the _same_ world, or something else? In the first Steins;Gate anime, it seems that time travel means a rewrite of history (i.e. the conventional type of time travel in science fictions), but in Steins;Gate 0, time travel seems more like jumping between parallel universes.