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"She is scheduled on Friday to appear for a hearing on a motion to terminate the contempt sanctions from her refusal." hmmmm.... she is scheduled Friday for a

"She is scheduled on Friday to appear for a hearing on a motion to terminate the contempt sanctions from her refusal." hmmmm.... she is scheduled Friday for a hearing that will most likely free her, but attempts suicide yesterday??? sounds very concerning and fishy to me. edit: guess everyone forgets about Epstein. I wouldn't doubt it if this happened to her cause they don't want her getting out.

megous 7y ago
Likely to free her? You figured that out how exactly? From the article and how the civil contempt works, she would be held indefinitely, until the reasons for contempt charge would end. That is probably until the trial with Assange in US ends. And it didn't even start yet.
- thrownaway954 7y ago
  if you listen to the accompanying news reel, she was only suppose to be in there for a maximum of 18 months. it's been 2 years so with the hearing coming up on Friday, there should be a good chance she can go free fingers crossed.
  - sp332 7y ago
    I'm pretty sure that rule does not apply when the person has the ability to comply with the court at any time and continues to decide not to. That's why in this case, Chelsea is being fined an additional $1,000 per day. Each day is considered a separate act of contempt. She was not sanctioned summarily, but will be held until she complies.
    - GordonS 7y ago
      > Chelsea is being fined an additional $1,000 per day Wow, I didn't know that. It's not enough to ruin her life while she's in prison, but they want to ruin it if/when she is eventually released.
  - Mountain_Skies 7y ago
    The longest time incarcerated for contempt in the United States was fourteen years. If there is a maximum of 18 months, apparently it's an easily disregarded guideline rather than a hard rule.
  - megous 7y ago
    Interesting. I certainly wish her the best, too!
  - megous 7y ago
    That was quick.
- thrownaway954 7y ago
  Chelsea Manning ordered to be released https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22562041 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22562041 one thing i love about hacker news is proving snarky people wrong.
  - megous 7y ago
    Good for you.
    - thrownaway954 7y ago
      no no... good for her
dehrmann 7y ago
Trans people are at a significantly increased risk of suicide, so you have to weight it against that.
smabie 7y ago
Yeah, it sounds like she's mentally unstable and/or seeking attention. This whole thing grand jury thing is totally ridiculous. Manning is breaking the law by refusing to testify, which is fine (I break lots of laws I don't care about either). But you really can't have it both ways: break the laws and claim you are being unjustly punished for your crime. Moreover, there's really no practical reason why she can't just testify to the closed=door grand jury and then tell the press what she said or just leak it online or something. I know this sounds a little harsh and I will probably get downvoted for this, but I think she wants to be in jail. Maybe it's better to be relevant (at least in some tangential sense) and imprisoned then free and forgotten. I've certainly met some people who might make a similar trade-off, usually because their egos' require it. Also, let's look at her lawyer's statement: "Manning has previously indicated that she will not betray her principles, even at risk of grave harm to herself," her legal team said, adding, "Her actions today evidence the strength of her convictions, as well as the profound harm she continues to suffer as a result of her 'civil' confinement." Her suicide attempts (if they are even that, I'm not 100% sure) have been a constant theme with her throughout the years. Most likely, as stated above, they are caused by either an underlying mental issue (I'm sure gender dysphoria has high co-morbidity with a ton of other mental illnesses) or are a cry for help/attention. What doesn't make any sense, to me, is that her suicide is some how proof of her convictions. Like you stated, she is scheduled for a hearing on Friday that could potentially set her free. It seems to me like you're suggesting that the government (or someone) tried to kill her? While I'm sure she would be flattered, there's a zero probability chance that's what happened.
- zimpenfish 7y ago
  > here's really no practical reason why she can't just testify to the closed=door grand jury and then tell the press what she said or just leak it I'm pretty sure if that happened, she'd be back inside before her feet even hit the ground and this time with criminal charges (violating national security, treason?) that means even less due process and chance of getting out.
- edmundsauto 7y ago
  This has more insight into your perception the world than anything about Manning. You (and I) know very little about the situation. Trying to ascribe self-harm to "seeking attention" is pure projection, and this whole comment tells me a lot more about you than about Manning's motivations.

megous 7y ago

Likely to free her? You figured that out how exactly? From the article and how the civil contempt works, she would be held indefinitely, until the reasons for contempt charge would end. That is probably until the trial with Assange in US ends. And it didn't even start yet.

thrownaway954 7y ago
if you listen to the accompanying news reel, she was only suppose to be in there for a maximum of 18 months. it's been 2 years so with the hearing coming up on Friday, there should be a good chance she can go free fingers crossed.
- sp332 7y ago
  I'm pretty sure that rule does not apply when the person has the ability to comply with the court at any time and continues to decide not to. That's why in this case, Chelsea is being fined an additional $1,000 per day. Each day is considered a separate act of contempt. She was not sanctioned summarily, but will be held until she complies.
  - GordonS 7y ago
    > Chelsea is being fined an additional $1,000 per day Wow, I didn't know that. It's not enough to ruin her life while she's in prison, but they want to ruin it if/when she is eventually released.
- Mountain_Skies 7y ago
  The longest time incarcerated for contempt in the United States was fourteen years. If there is a maximum of 18 months, apparently it's an easily disregarded guideline rather than a hard rule.
- megous 7y ago
  Interesting. I certainly wish her the best, too!
- megous 7y ago
  That was quick.
thrownaway954 7y ago
Chelsea Manning ordered to be released https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22562041 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22562041 one thing i love about hacker news is proving snarky people wrong.
- megous 7y ago
  Good for you.
  - thrownaway954 7y ago
    no no... good for her

dehrmann 7y ago

Trans people are at a significantly increased risk of suicide, so you have to weight it against that.

smabie 7y ago

Yeah, it sounds like she's mentally unstable and/or seeking attention. This whole thing grand jury thing is totally ridiculous. Manning is breaking the law by refusing to testify, which is fine (I break lots of laws I don't care about either). But you really can't have it both ways: break the laws and claim you are being unjustly punished for your crime. Moreover, there's really no practical reason why she can't just testify to the closed=door grand jury and then tell the press what she said or just leak it online or something. I know this sounds a little harsh and I will probably get downvoted for this, but I think she wants to be in jail. Maybe it's better to be relevant (at least in some tangential sense) and imprisoned then free and forgotten. I've certainly met some people who might make a similar trade-off, usually because their egos' require it. Also, let's look at her lawyer's statement: "Manning has previously indicated that she will not betray her principles, even at risk of grave harm to herself," her legal team said, adding, "Her actions today evidence the strength of her convictions, as well as the profound harm she continues to suffer as a result of her 'civil' confinement." Her suicide attempts (if they are even that, I'm not 100% sure) have been a constant theme with her throughout the years. Most likely, as stated above, they are caused by either an underlying mental issue (I'm sure gender dysphoria has high co-morbidity with a ton of other mental illnesses) or are a cry for help/attention. What doesn't make any sense, to me, is that her suicide is some how proof of her convictions. Like you stated, she is scheduled for a hearing on Friday that could potentially set her free. It seems to me like you're suggesting that the government (or someone) tried to kill her? While I'm sure she would be flattered, there's a zero probability chance that's what happened.

zimpenfish 7y ago
> here's really no practical reason why she can't just testify to the closed=door grand jury and then tell the press what she said or just leak it I'm pretty sure if that happened, she'd be back inside before her feet even hit the ground and this time with criminal charges (violating national security, treason?) that means even less due process and chance of getting out.
edmundsauto 7y ago
This has more insight into your perception the world than anything about Manning. You (and I) know very little about the situation. Trying to ascribe self-harm to "seeking attention" is pure projection, and this whole comment tells me a lot more about you than about Manning's motivations.