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You know who's not propagating climate crisis hysteria just to secure a lifetime paycheck? The Exxon climate scientists of the 1970s. https://en.wikipedia.org/

by esarbe 7y ago

You know who's not propagating climate crisis hysteria just to secure a lifetime paycheck? The Exxon climate scientists of the 1970s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExxonMobil_climate_change_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExxonMobil_climate_change_cont... > In July 1977, a senior scientist of Exxon James Black reported to company's executives that there was a general scientific agreement at that time that the burning of fossil fuels was the most likely manner in which mankind was influencing global climate change Take it from the horse's mouth; these guys had no reason to propagate some kind of hoax, quite the opposite. We've known that since the 1970s that climate change is the likely outcome. And you know what; climate change has arrived and - surprise! - it's a climate crisis! According to IPCC 2018, we're CURRENTLY between +0.75 and +1.25°C, with the very real possibility of reaching +2°C by the 2040. These are undeniable facts. So, the people that have been warning us for 50 years were .. actually correct. Who would have thought that science could work!

trentnix 7y ago
So, the people that have been warning us for 50 years were .. actually correct. No, they weren't. We didn't end up in a mini ice-age. The glaciers in Glacier National Park did not disappear. The polar ice caps did not melt. Widespread famine did not occur. Widespread destruction did not occur. Instead, humanity has experience it's greatest period of prosperity in the same period prophets like Ehrlich assured us of our impending doom. Doom is always right around the corner. Who would have thought that science could work! Science always works. But scientists get things wrong frequently.
- esarbe 7y ago
  Let's try to pick some of your claims. Let's start with Global Cooling. Although popularized by the media, this theory was very fringe and not accepted scientific consensus. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling) The glaciers in Glacier National Park; they are melting. And melting fast (https://www.nps.gov/glac/learn/nature/climate-change.htm https://www.nps.gov/glac/learn/nature/climate-change.htm) The polar ice caps are melting. We've had a 11% reduction in are in about 20 years. (https://i1.wp.com/ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/plots/icecover/osisaf_nh_iceextent_daily_5years_en.png https://i1.wp.com/ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/plots/icecover/osisaf_...) If we continue like that, widespread famine and destruction are just around the corner. We're currently running into that, head first, full speed ahead.
- tzs 7y ago
  > No, they weren't. We didn't end up in a mini ice-age. 1. Only a small fraction of scientists predicted an ice age. 2. Those predictions were based on the assumption that we wouldn't do anything to seriously address the increasing release of particulates into the atmosphere. Particulates have a cooling effect. The models predicting an ice age predicted that the particulate cooling effect would be enough to overcome the warming effect from greenhouse gas emissions. 3. We in fact took particulates seriously, leading to a massive decrease in particulate emissions, thereby invalidating the assumption that led those models to forecast that the cooling effect would overcome the warming effect from greenhouse gases.

by esarbe 7y ago

trentnix 7y ago

So, the people that have been warning us for 50 years were .. actually correct. No, they weren't. We didn't end up in a mini ice-age. The glaciers in Glacier National Park did not disappear. The polar ice caps did not melt. Widespread famine did not occur. Widespread destruction did not occur. Instead, humanity has experience it's greatest period of prosperity in the same period prophets like Ehrlich assured us of our impending doom. Doom is always right around the corner. Who would have thought that science could work! Science always works. But scientists get things wrong frequently.

esarbe 7y ago
Let's try to pick some of your claims. Let's start with Global Cooling. Although popularized by the media, this theory was very fringe and not accepted scientific consensus. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling) The glaciers in Glacier National Park; they are melting. And melting fast (https://www.nps.gov/glac/learn/nature/climate-change.htm https://www.nps.gov/glac/learn/nature/climate-change.htm) The polar ice caps are melting. We've had a 11% reduction in are in about 20 years. (https://i1.wp.com/ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/plots/icecover/osisaf_nh_iceextent_daily_5years_en.png https://i1.wp.com/ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/plots/icecover/osisaf_...) If we continue like that, widespread famine and destruction are just around the corner. We're currently running into that, head first, full speed ahead.
tzs 7y ago
> No, they weren't. We didn't end up in a mini ice-age. 1. Only a small fraction of scientists predicted an ice age. 2. Those predictions were based on the assumption that we wouldn't do anything to seriously address the increasing release of particulates into the atmosphere. Particulates have a cooling effect. The models predicting an ice age predicted that the particulate cooling effect would be enough to overcome the warming effect from greenhouse gas emissions. 3. We in fact took particulates seriously, leading to a massive decrease in particulate emissions, thereby invalidating the assumption that led those models to forecast that the cooling effect would overcome the warming effect from greenhouse gases.